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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by BeamBrain@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

An acquaintance of mine supports the gig economy because "it must be good for workers because it allows them more freedom to take jobs they want and gives them more control over their lives. If they don't like their job, they can work for another gig employer who pays more." He is convinced that there is a huge labor shortage and that the concept of the reserve army of labor is a myth. I asked him why, if the gig economy is good for workers, capitalists overwhelmingly support it and workers overwhelmingly oppose it. He said he didn't know, then refused to consider the question any further.

His views are largely based on his own experience doing gig economy work - he does contracting work transporting hazardous chemicals and maintaining computer systems done in obsolete architectures like COBOL. This pays so well that he only has to work six months out of the year and he brags about companies getting in bidding wars to hire him. He thinks all the terribly underpaid gig workers should just do what he does. I pointed out that there are 15 million gig workers in the US but (by the statistics he provided) only 80000 openings for jobs like his, so even if people took his advice, he'd just be left with an oversaturated job field and millions of workers still stuck in their existing awful jobs. He said until gig workers took his advice and filled those jobs, there was no point in discussing that.

He said whether an employer provides health insurance doesn't matter to him because he lives in a state that kept the medicaid expansion. He also believed that no other benefits for salaried workers (retirement account matching, etc.) were worthwhile.

I sent him a link showing that a third of gig workers make sub-minimum wage and his response was "Well, maybe the other two-thirds are doing great. They should just pay for job training for the gig workers who are making below minimum wage."

At the end of the conversation he said he had no idea what any of this had to do with capitalism vs. socialism.

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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

i love the casually cruel. it's like other human beings aren't even real to them.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago
[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and transporting hazardous materials. apparently a good combination lol

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

turns out COBOL is a hazardous material

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Wondering how you get into either of those, let alone both

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

he does contracting work transporting hazardous chemicals and maintaining computer systems done in obsolete architectures like COBOL

Does that even really count as gig economy work? To me at least, that term is intrinsically linked to all the exploitative apps like Uber. That's just being self-employed or an independent contractor in the true meaning of the word.

[-] forcequit@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

just get a better gig wdym

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Lmao, while the government treats gig workers as though they're independent contractors, they really fucking aren't. There is a massive v-shape to income levels for people legally defined as independent contractors, with about 80% being either right at or below the poverty line, and about 20% being comfortably middle class.

The group that is middle class are generally either specialty tradespeople or engineers, and they're generally self-employed-ish people who are like your acquaintance and take jobs for companies or individuals to complete a technical or trade task. Building contractors also fit into this group.

The overwhelming majority are people who either do app work or are only legally defined as contractors so that their employer can deny them benefits and pay below-standard wages because they have no other options.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

It always boils down to social myopia.

"I prospered, why can't everybody else?"

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Bootlickers hate the idea of rich people paying any sort of tax because they believe they’ll reach that level one day, and “inheritance is about not letting your children suffer like you did.” But then when you propose to try to minimize that suffering universally, they’ll become all about personal responsibility

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

i have seen the fabled omelas and found it lacking

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I had a relative said he tips waiters but not Uber drivers because “it’s different” and when another relative who’s an Uber driver just silently stares at him, the first one said “I mean I’ll tip you, of course.”

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