ID: photo of Martin Luther King Jr. waving at the crowd during the March on Washington, on it is his quote: "He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
I feel like it should be a normal thing to openly stand against fascism. If anyone has a problem with me because of that then they've proven themselves to be people I would never want to interact with in the first place
Listen to holiday in Cambodia, maybe it will help you leftist tankies
In a similar vein, anyone eligible to vote and chooses not to implicitly supports whoever wins.
And anyone who votes for genocide without even bothering to vote uncomitted in the primary is a genocider themselves.
lol no, I'm not going to get mad at my neighbors, I'm going to get mad at people who are actively trying to hurt them, not the ones accidentally doing it
The problem isn't that fascists were voted into the White House. The problem is that there are fascists in the White House. Anything that doesn't address that problem is equally implicit in supporting fascism. Arguing with your neighbors doesn't get fascists out of the White House. If history is anything to go by it has obviously done the opposite
Do you join the KKK and vote for the "harm reduction" candidate for grand wizard?
No, you bootlickers can repeat the same bullshit party lines and shove your heads up your ass as far as you please to maintain your personal comfort and shield yourself from reality (and from those actually responsible for and who benefit from fascism, which you miraculously never confront or even hold accountable, and are freely willing to ~~compromise with~~ give in to), but that doesn't change it - participating in an oppressive system, and voting for one of either oppressive parties designated to you by those benefiting from that system to placate you with an illusion of choice is literally the opposite of protesting said system (E: never even mind that the idea that you can vote fascism away is beyond ignorant and laughable in its own right, it's demonstrably wrong)
TL;DR: your vote didn't protest shit, it was manufactured consent for the status quo, get off your fucking high horse
I’m genuinely curious what vote of mine didn’t protest shit, given that I’m not, nor ever have been, a Seppo.
Complacency is complicity
Exactly.
You know, a lot of comments are bringing up voting like there was any chance of votes preventing this. A lifetime of gerrymandering, court stacking, propaganda, and general fuckery led to this, and the only question was when the religious right wing and oligarchs made their move
Voting? That's not shit.
What matters is real change brought by real people.
The people that didn't vote? That wasn't all protest non participation. Voter turnout has always been low because the average person just does not care.
Which means they won't care if the people that do care tear down the currently successful right wing revolution with a counter revolution. All you have to do is keep just enough comfort during transition, and nobody will lift a finger from that group. They will not give a flying fuck at all.
Frankly, even if they did care, they're also the segment least able to do a damn thing about any of it. They lack the will, the training, and the functional personal motivation to do anything but hunker down and wait, even if their comfort level does drop to the bottom.
I can't say that's good or bad, but it is what it is.
It's up to the people that care to make changes. Right now, the right seems to care a fuck ton more than anyone else, so they're pulling it off.
What do you mean votes couldn't prevent this? You really think if Kamala had won by the electoral college that Trump would have won anyways??
I'm saying that this is the end goal the right wing, particularly the general Republican party and the Christian right in particular have been working towards since Nixon. The southern strategy, combined with the oligarchs dominating the party.
Democrats have never had a good plan to oppose that, and still don't.
Even if Kamala had won, which was never likely, it would have been someone, at some point in the next fifty years because the first Trump term stacked the supreme court, and the party pushed hard to put decisive cases up.
There's no way the halfassed efforts that democrats have been using my entire lifetime would have prevented an eventual lock on Congress and the presidency.
Mind you, I'm fairly convinced that had kamala won, there was a plan in the works for an outright attack. Not a genuine right wing revolution scale attack, but a disruptive series of attacks on the power grid and infrastructure to sow chaos and strengthen the militarization of the police even more, get people used to marshal law, etc. But that's impossible to prove, and unsourceable.
In a roundabout way, any democrat winning would have had exactly as much effect on their long term plans. They've been working at this, laying multiple options down so that as soon as opportunity rose, they could strike in one way or another.
Voting can't fix that. Voting democrat can't fix that for sure. There is no viable alternative party to oppose it, and there's no time to build one, despite the feeble bullshit being tried to rebuild the democrat establishment. You can't take a party that gives lip service to the populace, but works to maintain the status quo of corporate interests on average, and turn it into a serious engine of change.
We're past the point of waiting four years and hoping. We were past that when Biden eked out a win. But nobody took that respite to even try and shift things.
"Always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented"
Quoted from his acceptance speech -
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1986/wiesel/acceptance-speech/
Elie Wiesel was born in 1928 in the town of Sighet, now part of Romania. During World War II, he, with his family and other Jews from the area, were deported to the German concentration and extermination camps, where his parents and little sister perished. Wiesel and his two older sisters survived. Liberated from Buchenwald in 1945 by advancing Allied troops, he was taken to Paris where he studied at the Sorbonne and worked as a journalist.
I take the side of the minority!
^Lemmy ^says ^Republicans ^are ^the ^minority
I always go beans and potato salad.
I need to do more protests . I always seem to hear about them after the event, or they’re always in London or something
Your state capitol building on Wednesday at noon. Every state.
Does this include not voting because one is a single issue voter?
Edit: lmao, yall will really say whatever to justify your decision to make things worse.
Depends on the severity of the single issue @plastic_ramses. Was slavery a 'single issue'? is genocide? Are they just 'single issues' like school vouchers and saving the spotted owl?
No they are not. I dont understand why you cant see that. Its not complicated.
Your whole argument is designed to excuse yourself from any critical thought and allow your leaders to shackle you to any outcome they please. And maybe thats all you're good for, frankly.
Absolutely. Non-voters and "protest" voters chose not to oppose a known fascist. Their refusal to strategically use their voice has led to increased suffering of minorities, LGBTQ+, and likely an end to any semblance of US democracy.
Yeah, well, they've done it, 95 million Americans didn't vote. Now what?
Are we gonna point the finger at them, lay the blame at their feet, and feel superior because WE VOTED, while the oligarchs and fascists loot our treasury and put our minority and LGBTQ+ brothers and sisters you seem to care so much about in camps? Or are we gonna go and fight the good fight like the people out in LA yesterday?
Are we gonna point the finger at them, lay the blame at their feet,
Absolutely.
If those 95 million would've voted together for Mike the local crackhead, Mike would've won the popular vote with about 20 million votes to spare... I don't know, seems stupid to me to just go on the Internet to complain and then not use one of the only tools you have in a democracy?
I understand that going out voting is "accepting the system" but that is the only legal way to bring about change. If you don't want to support the system that's fine, work to dismantle it, take the fight to them. But just staying at home, doing nothing and then saying "I told you so" is just dumb.
Not only this but, if those non-voters organized and taken action in the last half-century, they would have been able to move the Overton to the Left, instead of the unending Right-ward crawl that we've been seeing. That could have prevented the likes of Clinton and Thatcher and erosion of workers' rights.
I understand your point, but as you said:
But just staying at home, doing nothing and then saying "I told you so" is just dumb.
There are people WHO VOTED who are doing this, because it's "not their responsibility" anymore.
There are people WHO VOTED who are doing this, because it's "not their responsibility" anymore.
There are a lot of people like this, they did the bare minimum and feel like that's enough, I mean at least it's something? Still far from enough, I agree with that.
In these times I often think about the Berthold Brecht poem "Wer Zuhause bleibt"-"Whoever stays at home".
Wer zu Hause bleibt, wenn der Kampf beginnt Und lässt andere kämpfen für seine Sache Der muss sich vorsehen: denn Wer den Kampf nicht geteilt hat Der wird teilen die Niederlage. Nicht einmal den Kampf vermeidet Wer den Kampf vermeiden will: denn Es wird kämpfen für die Sache des Feinds Wer für seine eigene Sache nicht gekämpft hat.
Translation :
Whoever stays at home when the fight begins and lets others fight for his cause must beware: For whoever has not shared the fight will share the defeat. Not even avoiding the fight helps anymore, because he who has not fought (for his own cause) has fought for the cause of the enemy.
Italics added by me
This right here.
Thank you for also making this point. There's a lot of with to do. In-person protests, education and outreach, mutual aid and are some of the necessary avenues. Not everyone is able to march but there are many other ways to contribute to the fight.
Yeah, well, they've done it, 95 million Americans didn't vote. Now what?
Y'all really are unble to take any kind of accountability whatsoever. "It's done so it's not relevant anymore" is a textbook example of what abusers say.
Are we gonna point the finger at them, lay the blame at their feet
Yes, absolutely. Non-voters are neglectful assholes whose inaction has had devastating impacts for multiple different countries. You are all just typical abusers trying to escape accountability.
Love that you assume I'm a non-voter, when nowhere in my comment implies that. You didn't even read it, or my replies to the OP (who actually made good points btw, unlike you). But sure, whatever helps you feel better right now.
You are all just typical abusers trying to escape accountability.
This is such an insulting statement to people who actually go through abusive systems that I can't even fathom why you would write this. No one who is in activism and mutual aid spaces would say this with a straight face.
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