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Summary

Donald Trump’s popularity among Generation Z voters has sharply declined since the 2024 election, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll.

His net favorability among 18-29-year-olds has dropped from +19 in November to -18, raising concerns for Republicans about sustaining youth support.

While Trump gained ground with young voters in 2024, recent policies—such as his mass deportation plan and targeting of DEI initiatives—may have contributed to this decline.

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[-] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I get that these kids were brainwashed a little but what bothers me is that it was never any secret what was happening to women's rights and LGBTQ+ rights but they went for it anyway. It wasn't some secret plot or trick, these people told us all exactly what they're about.

Even if they don't care about queer people, they happily sold out the rights of their own mothers because the word of some ex reality TV star meat head was more important to them. I feel like even if I was that age being bombarded by propaganda, I would've woken the fuck up the moment they started going after my mother and my sisters.

I actually saw a story on Reddit shortly after the election, that's a double whammy in this regard. It was a divorced woman who is currently in a relationship with another woman, telling the story of how her own son visited her and fessed up to voting for Trump and happily said out loud "I don't agree with gay people." Based on the reactions she described afterwards, this dumb piece of shit kid only realised that the people he was hating included his own mother, after it was already too late.

It's all fucked. I forgive these kids to an extent but I know that when I was that age, I did in fact have a sense of morality and could in fact use my own brains to figure things out for myself.

[-] seejur@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

They voted for the memes, and are now in the process of realizing real life is not a meme

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes but meme man named the department DOGE (/s)

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean who knew he would be against DEI and immigrants?

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think these polls are bullshit. The same gen Z kids who voted Trump after being brainwashed for years watching Rogan, Shapiro, etc rail on DEI, trans, 'wokeism' and 'open borders' haven't suddenly changed their opinion once Trump's started enacting policies that aim to enact those goals.

These kids just recognize how unpopular these actions are in the wider community and are lying to pollsters now. It's virtue signalling. They'll continue to vote right-wing imho

[-] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think it is young people that are the problem. Recall, it is largely billionaires and elderly statesmen that either supported the coup, or stood aside. Of all people, they should understand the consequences and it is their job to guide the nation. That includes telling people how neat government programs can be.

Our most influential people either failed to communicate, or are aligned with the plot to some degree. Young folks are too busy slaving away to dedicate time to politics, which requires time, money, and education. Things that society has consistently transferred towards the wealthy, while denying the poor.

[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

How was he popular in the first place

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Gen Z desperately wants change, any change and Dems were against change.

That's my take at least.

[-] Snowstorm@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Half of Trump votes and a bigger part of abstentions are a protest directed at the economic system that, in the aftermath of Covid, got rich people richer while most people got reduced buying power in the form of inflation.

Then surprise surprise: sh!t policies and more inflation. Can Trump keep control of this growing rage or…

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

There's also a lot of incel Zoomers. I think that's where the bulk or his youth support came from.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's so stupid because it's entirely typical for guys 12-22 to not be getting laid, and the boys who get sucked into this extremist bullshit shouldn't be thinking they are victims of anything other than typical adolescents. The dumb kid to neo nazi pipeline is really shitty and clearly still works very effectively.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that's true, but the Zoomers are facing some unique headwinds. They're the first generation to come of age in a post internet era, and I've heard people argue that being inundated with social media as well as having such easy access to pornography is giving them a warped view of sex and personal intimacy. There's also data going back to 2017 saying they have less sex than previous generations. And on top of that, many of them had Covid interrupt what should have been their formative sexual years.

Anyway, I'm certainly not excusing any of these little shits that become Nazis. But when I think about how I was as an adolescent, and then think about what these kids have to deal with, I can definitely understand how someone like Andrew Tate could manipulate them.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

It's more that Gen Z wants change without putting in effort. They (and millennials too) aren't voting in primaries at all let alone showing up in non Presidental elections so all parties are putting money and effort into candidates that appeal to older, more conservative voters that actual show up.

The younger people I work with and interact with on a regular basis that admit they voted for Trump say they didn't do it because he appealed to them but because they had some protest against Harris or Biden. Dems dropped the ball entirely this election but the majority of voters fail to turn out and prove their desire for change and progressive candidates is anything but talk.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

There wasn't a primary to vote against Harris in though. I'm not bashing you, it's just that was a mistake IMO.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

There was primary for congressional seats where the actual change Gen Z keeps saying they want will have to come from. And there was basically no participation there nationwide for their generation.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I see plenty of change coming right now from the office of the President though.

It’s almost like a ton of zoomers weren’t paying attention to what the fuck he was doing last time around.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I was 16 at the start of the last time, so yeah quite a few of the middle and younger zoomers may legit not remember or were too young to understand.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you think about it, a TON of zoomers were maybe 10 years old when he started his shit.

It's literally all they have known for most of their formative years. I blame their parents more then them. They never talked to their kids about what he's doing apparently.

I tell my two kids that what he is doing is evil, and anyone who follows him is broken in some form or another. I tell them ALL the stuff our country has done, good and bad, and to keep learning, keep questioning, and most of all: beware of people like him. They are world enders.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Good news, having such an eye-awakening experience at an impressionable age can drive people left-wing for their lifetime. Same has happened during Trump-1, Bush-2 and Bush-3, (now in Canadian politics) the Walkerton Crisis, the Mulroney days, and now hopefully with Doug Ford.

Bad news: They already got played, and they might get played again in 4 years with billions of big tech money intended to distract the masses.

[-] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

We'll probably find out in 2 years when seats of Congress are up for election again.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

You still think there are going to be free and open elections?

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, in blue states. State governments are responsible for elections, not Federal. I expect plenty of fraud and worse-than-usual voter suppression in Republican-governed states, though.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Either USSA 18-29-years-old are weird, or newsweek is corporate shill. Mix in one bag

mass deportation plan, targeting of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and suggesting that the U.S. will "take over" the Gaza Strip and resettle Palestinians from the area while it is rebuilt.

and ignore everything else.

Well, thank Faust, I am not in Memericas.

[-] wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

Be aware: Newsweek put out a string of content before the election, making it clear that Harris was winning and that Democrats were in the clear when few other news outlets were being that optimistic. Recently, they've been putting out a lot of articles talking about how the Orange One is losing popularity. While I hope that's true, they definitely have a weird angle. Take their content with a big grain of salt.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

We thought GenZ was going to save us, but that was bullshit.

I work with a few in a DEEP BLUE state in a field in which the majority of my co-workers have been liberal and they're Trumpers. Morons who grew up on social media and had their minds warped by it. Fell for the alpha male bullshit too.

They aren't going to save us. They're pretty dumb.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Surprise the iPad kid generation that were brought up on 4chsn derived troll culture are not bastions of virtue.

Like I have a zoomer nephew, and he's genuinely a good kid at heart, and his mum raised him well, but he also showed me things like videos of people harassing kids in video games until they meltdown like it was the funniest shit in the world, and also thinks Trump is super funny.

Being a shitty person is just good "content".

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Seeing this with my own kids. We strictly manage their YouTube time, and that's fucking hard because there's million stupid ways to sneak on to YouTube. I wish there was a way to set them up with an allowlist feed instead of having to go and block every single bullshit video and channel, but then they couldn't feed my kids to the algorithm to make it shit out money, I guess.

gen z is literally the wrong generation to use 4chan lmao

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Cannot wait for the types of gen z voters that voted for a dipshit like donvict to turn around and blame "boomers" for their issues.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago

They kinda already are. Though they seem to be blaming the Democrats for not doing enough to convince them to not be stupid.

Being raised by social media has caused some issues with them. They seem to value the ability to say whatever you need to say to get to the top of the algorithm and aren't able to question the algorithm itself.

[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

It's okay they don't bother coming out of their sofas to vote

[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

That's odd because the only Gen z people who liked Trump were the paid Russian propogandists that were creating all the fake bullshit memes for him

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

I listened in on a conversation between two young male Kroger union members before the election (the store is unionized so maybe that was an assumption, it's a right to work state...)

They both agreed they were voting for Trump. I can't speak to their unspoken motivations but what I can tell you is they absolutely voted on vibes and didn't have a goddamn clue what was coming for them.

I don't know what brain rotted the Gen Z boys in a way that didn't work on the Gen Z girls but I can tell you it wasn't fake, those kids are not alright.

Maybe this will be Gen Z's Afghanistan and Iraq, the events that push them left against Republican abuse, but I'm not sure they'll have a chance when they're getting a steady diet of algorithmic propaganda.

I don’t know what brain rotted the Gen Z boys in a way that didn’t work on the Gen Z girls but I can tell you it wasn’t fake, those kids are not alright.

its nothing to do with brainrot, its the same shit that makes your dad the single dumbest person you've ever seen whenever he speaks on politics.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

People have done things where they start with a clean VM and set up something like Youtube, watching the most innocuous of things. Doesn't take too long before they start getting the red pill shit.

That doesn't happen with broadcast media. You don't start off watching, say, C-SPAN or PBS, and next thing you know you are getting shown Nazi propaganda.

you have to consciously consume it though, as a consumer of information and media, you hold a responsibility to ensure that what you're consuming is both good, and factually accurate. If you aren't doing that, that's your fault.

People can argue all they want about content algorithms pushing this content, it's because it's good content, that's why its fucking propaganda. It wouldn't be if it didn't.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You really don't have to consciously consume it. You can literally leave auto-play on YouTube and it will steadily pull you down the rabbit hole. These people aren't logging in to nazi.com and ravenously looking for content (at least most aren't).

It's served directly to them in mainstream platforms, prepared exactly how they like it. And they're the first generation to be bombarded by this algorithmic targeting for their entire lives.

Should adults still be responsible for what they consume and analyzing it critically? Of course. But given we're in unprecedented territory and this is (at most) their second time voting in a presidential cycle, I'll give them a mulligan.

You really don’t have to consciously consume it. You can literally leave auto-play on YouTube and it will steadily pull you down the rabbit hole. These people aren’t logging in to nazi.com and ravenously looking for content (at least most aren’t).

maybe if you have degenerative brain damage, or are asleep, otherwise yes, you are making the conscious choice to watch nazis talk about nazi things for 3 hours, that's literally something you consciously engage with simply by listening to, or even looking at.

This is why it's so important to be conscious of the media you're consuming, in the same way it's important to be conscious about the products you're buying and the services you're using.

I’ll give them a mulligan.

look bro, all i'm saying is that you don't accidentally become a nazi, if i gave you a knife, and told you to murder somebody, and walked away, you wouldn't do that, you would probably call the police on me because that's really fucking weird.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No, they're making a conscious choice to use the platform. The content itself is whatever pops up and looks entertaining.

If the algorthim shows you 2 center-right videos, 3 hard-right videos, and one nazi rant then are you choosing to be a nazi by watching the center right ones?

Its never actually 3 hours of nazi things. Its an otherwise entertaining video making some off color jokes. It's a streamer going on one politically dubious rant in a 6 hour stream. It's a weekly podcast talking to "interesting" people; some benign, some funny, some actual problems... It's about normalizing the conversation and the ideas. Nobody is getting handed a knife.

Yeah, there are some people take the red pill and actively go down the conspiracy rabbit hole and watch nazi shit. But I'm not gonna go out of my way to crucify people who have shitty ideas in their head at some point, there are lots of people that have stories of escaping the funnel.

Because at the end of the day a vote is just voicing an opinion to most people.

"I was told tariffs aren't a bad idea"... "Musk has points that there might be wasteful spending"... "Well Rogan endorsed him haha"...

If they were told they're getting drafted to invade Greenland before they voted, they look at you the same way as the knife guy.

No, they’re making a conscious choice to use the platform. The content itself is whatever pops up and looks entertaining.

you still need to physically and mentally engage with it in some fashion, otherwise it's literally not being consumed at all, the only possible exception to this is being asleep, which isn't particularly well understood.

If the algorthim shows you 2 center-right videos, 3 hard-right videos, and one nazi rant then are you choosing to be a nazi by watching the center right ones?

if you watch the center right videos, you are choosing to consume the center right leaning content, given that you are a content consumer equipped with the standard human feature of a functioning brain and sense. It would only be logical that if you were to see the nazi content in the corner and go "OOH NAZI CONTENT!" you're probably leaning nazi already, and if you see it and go "oh good, nazi content" you're probably not.

Even if you are slowly subsumed by the nazi content and slowly become a nazi over the course of 4 years, it doesn't matter, you still made the choice, even as slowly as you did, to become a nazi, this is why the ability to recognize where you are, whether or not you've grown as a person, and what you should do about it is a good thing to be engaging with from time to time, otherwise you risk becoming a serial killer, or other various bad things.

Its never actually 3 hours of nazi things. Its an otherwise entertaining video making some off color jokes. It’s a streamer going on one politically dubious rant in a 6 hour stream. It’s a weekly podcast talking to “interesting” people; some benign, some funny, some actual problems… It’s about normalizing the conversation and the ideas. Nobody is getting handed a knife.

you should be conscious and aware of these things, these things are the reason that people get killed, you cannot simply ignore it and pretend they don't exist, you must be aware of them, and try to be as conscious of them as you physically and mentally can. If you are not able to be conscious of these things, you are simply not fit to consume content, because clearly, you are just willing to assume the position of whoever is yapping currently, and therefore, offer no functional utility to the rest of humanity.

Yeah, there are some people take the red pill and actively go down the conspiracy rabbit hole and watch nazi shit. But I’m not gonna go out of my way to crucify people who have shitty ideas in their head at some point, there are lots of people that have stories of escaping the funnel.

that's entirely understandable, my problem is that people simply aren't aware of it, and yet, still consume the exact same type of problematic, or potentially problematic content, without being aware of what they could be experiencing and then they go "oh boy i sure am glad im not being indoctrinated to be a nazi!" as they're being indoctrinated to some other bullshit actively because they subvert their own concerns. This is a fundamental problem with political media, you simply cannot uncritically consume it, it's not tenable. In the same way that as a lawyer, you can't just clap your hands and go "yeah boss i got this one ez pz, done twenty of these before today." and expect everything to go well. You simply NEED to do your due diligence. You cannot afford the lack of due diligence, it's potential destruction is simply too great.

Because at the end of the day a vote is just voicing an opinion to most people.

and that's the problem, a vote is not "voicing an opinion" it's giving your piece on who you think should be running the country, and how. But people do not understand the consequences of their own actions because they simply aren't conscious of what they consume, and why. And this is why we're where we are now, with republicans that think the democrats literally tried to steal an election, even though zero proof has been presented.

People don't understand the gravity of politics, and they don't understand the importance of their action, both of these in combination has lead to the "marketization" of politics into a form of content not dissimilar from reality TV, the simplest solution here is for you to be conscious about the content you're consuming, it's pitfalls, potential pitfalls, and the other content in existence around it, unfortunately most people consume this content with about 1 active braincell, obviously, not meeting these requirements.

“I was told tariffs aren’t a bad idea”… “Musk has points that there might be wasteful spending”… “Well Rogan endorsed him haha”…

and the problem is that these statements go from "well, there is some truth in these statements, as there is in an any statement, however these paint an entirely misleading and inaccurate picture" to "well duhh the government is inefficient, obviously we need to cull the entire fucking thing!" That's the difference between what i have a problem with, and what you're proposing. You are quite literally given every opportunity in the world to be conscious at ANY point in the content consumption pipeline, and yet people CHOOSE not to be. WHY?

If they were told they’re getting drafted to invade Greenland before they voted, they look at you the same way as the knife guy.

i'm sure they would, and i believe this to be the case, however they don't even get past the "read the words written on the paper" stage of comprehending a written work, before they completely ingest it and homogenize it into their viewpoint and worldview, they are quite literally sticking an IV of poison straight into their bloodstream, by choice.

the question i ask, is why? What's the reason?

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I won't lie, I don't think we'll ever totally agree. I'm getting the gist that we fundamentally have a different understanding of the human race.

You're holding people to your own standards, which is admirable because you clearly have your head on straight. I just view people as generally more base and malleable. Animals that react to the stimulus they're given and environment they're put in.

It's why propaganda can work with simple repetition; it's why ancient cultures and atrocities feel so alien; it's why there's a natural evolutionary drift toward tribalism.

From that: this is a generation being left behind educationally, economically, and socially. They know their quality of life is regressing but don't know why. They're an audience searching for clear answers.

They're also the only humans in history to spend more of their formative adolescence on screen time than on other traditional activities.

So they're starting on the back foot and getting unprecedented exposure to privately operated, centralized media sources. It follows that whoever owns those platforms (or pays enough) can selectively amplify any narrative they want to great effect.

It would have been just as feasible to push their politics to the left as right. If you look at who operates these platforms you'll find, unsurprisingly, its right wing media moguls. The capitalists with the capital and mechanisms to spread their gospel have done so.

So at the end of the day I think it is reasonable to scold a person who you know should have better media literacy. I just don't think it makes any sense to extend that to an entire voting block. Its more productive to direct that effort toward the root of the problem, the people pushing the content.

I won’t lie, I don’t think we’ll ever totally agree. I’m getting the gist that we fundamentally have a different understanding of the human race.

that's unlikely, and that's fine, i'm mostly just here to share my position.

You’re holding people to your own standards, which is admirable because you clearly have your head on straight. I just view people as generally more base and malleable. Animals that react to the stimulus they’re given and environment they’re put in.

100%, i have a higher standard for the average general populous, than most people do, but i simply believe that we cannot function as a society if we are below that threshold, and given recent global events, and the trend towards politics becoming worse and worse, i feel highly justified, and think you would be on a long uphill argument against that point.

You're correct about your conception of humans as animal, this is 100% why we act the way that we do, and why we're susceptible to these problems, we've engineered our way out of these problems however, now only to fall into the hole we've just dug with no way out? I don't believe that. I think any single person owes themselves at least some level of autonomy, and critical thinking alongside intelligence, to at the very least break through that problem barrier, otherwise you're at a "eating shit contaminated drinking water and dying from any number of given ailments" level of behaviorism. Other people, and i assume you would argue that we should protect people from doing this to themselves, but i think especially given the recent timeline, that this is simply impossible, you cannot do that, it will never work. Fixing it of course, is a bigger problem. But that's not why im here, i'm here to providing commentary in the hopes that it changes peoples outlook on life, and how they view their position in the world.

you make an interesting point about the generational divide in upbringing, though it's worth noting that, this is not particularly new, since the industrial revolution at least, and it affects more than the young, the primary age group being targetted by the kind of stuff i like to work against, is people in their 50-70 age range, people who have been around for along time, remember "when it was better" and are mentally, not as engaged as they once were, starting to coast into retirement, if not in retirement already.

In fact, if you look at the younger age ranges, it's quite heavily split between the sides, it doesn't seem to be a hugely generational issue until you get older, where it skews conservative, which is an established trend, and a rather obtuse one i would argue.

So at the end of the day I think it is reasonable to scold a person who you know should have better media literacy. I just don’t think it makes any sense to extend that to an entire voting block. Its more productive to direct that effort toward the root of the problem, the people pushing the content.

you're 100% right about the media narrative, and the media environment, however i would like to counter it with two points, for one thing, it only works because people are WILLING to consume it. If people aren't, it will never be successful, this is obviously not the case, as these companies rake in millions of dollars on the regular. And two, i don't think you can simply "regulate" this issue out, humans have an innate tendency toward the unknown, the taboo, and the bizarre, there are probably studies on the effects of restricting access to certain materials and the effects on the consumption of these materials in the general populous. It leads to a sort of self fulfilling prophecy of "the ELITES dont want YOU to see THIS" because they quite literally, do not want you to see it, because it's not productive, but again, people are stupid, and will consume whatever slop they get presented. Evidently, it should follow that if this fact suddenly becomes true, things will only get worse.

You either have to convince the public that this shit is fake and not real, move them to another source of media naturally (literally how?) or simply forcibly remove it, and then i guess crack down on consumption and distribution of that media ad infinitum? There isn't exactly a good solution here, unless you take the most optimal approach of "culling the problematic individuals" which is of course, deeply unpopular, but you may be able to justify it, ethically and morally. That's ultimately what im getting at here. You very quickly begin to approach a sort of event horizon of non truths, and i think we've passed that point, or at least passed the point of no return, and im not sure we're capable of returning. Maybe it is, but i truly do not think we can recover, at least before something drastic happens.

Perhaps we should refer to this as the KTI razor, lmao.

[-] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

If it's a human failing then no, it should be regulated against to prevent abuse.

there are definitely arguments to regulate against it, i'm not here to make those arguments, or argue against it, i'm just here to argue that you as an individual person have a right to hold yourself responsible for the media you consume, it's not difficult, it's taught to you in high school, assuming you can read and write, if you went to college, great, you literally do that the entire time you're there, that's the one thing you should be doing.

If you don't and you work in a blue collar job, it probably requires similar attention from you in the same manner, just apply it universally.

[-] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

I realize that I, as an individual can make choices and am responsible for those choices. I'm not here to talk about that today, I'm only referring to the fact that when a natural human failing is set upon by money men with the intention of exploitation it is only regulation or destruction that will end that exploitation.

or like, you could educate people, because for as long as these failings exist, they will be exploited, and the best preventative measure, is one that cannot be subverted.

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