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submitted 4 months ago by lena@gregtech.eu to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Basically title, YouTube music suggests the same songs over and over again.

I don't want to maintain my own library of music, which is why I use streaming services.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

DIY music libraries are you only option.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 4 months ago

I don't want to maintain my own library of music, which is why I use streaming services.

I also said I'd like to have an algorithm.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I converted my MP3 collection to files on my PC last summer, after getting sick of Spotify's price increases. If you manage to find a DRM-Free music app I'd love to hear about it, but I'm confident none exist.

When I want to try something new I log on to Spotify's web player using Brave browser (because it blocks ads and tracking), sample the stuff the app curated for me, and then use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter to download the files.

Sorry, I know that's not the kind of info you're looking for. I'm just pretty sure what you're asking for isn't a thing.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 2 points 4 months ago

Ah, thanks then ❤️

I will give this a try

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

How would you define a DRM-free online service? If you aren't managing your own files, why would DRM free matter?

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago
[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I mean I understand and support DRM free media, but I literally don't understand what OP is asking for. If they don't want to own/manage the music, then what part would be DRM free?

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 months ago

Well, they want the service to stream the music as-is without encrypting it.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago

Any music app or any web service these these days will use HTTPS to transfer the music, so it will always have been encrypted.

DRM only matter for offline files

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Different encryption. SSL is dosigned to prevent carriers from accessing your traffic. DRM is designed to prevent you from having control over how your computer accesses media.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

Well, OP doesn't want to maintain a local music library, that means that they have already given up the control over their media, so in this case DRM doesn't really matter.

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 4 months ago

Using a streaming service does not mean you want to give up all control. It’s just that you want an algorithm to choose the songs for you instead of having to choose them yourself.

[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 1 points 4 months ago

Personally, I’d like an open API so I could use it with foobar2000. Not OP but I long for the same thing. I’ve done it, and managing, storing, backing up, my music library costs more than Spotify. And assuming you don’t just pirate everything, add the cost of purchasing albums on top of that. And my time is worth minimum wage at least. I would happily pay someone to just handle this stuff.

[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 1 points 4 months ago

Personally, I’d like an open API so I could use it with foobar2000. Not OP but I long for the same thing. I’ve done it, and managing, storing, backing up, my music library costs more than Spotify. And assuming you don’t just pirate everything, add the cost of purchasing albums on top of that. And my time is worth minimum wage at least. I would happily pay someone to just handle this stuff.

[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 1 points 4 months ago

Personally, I’d like an open API so I could use it with foobar2000. Not OP but I long for the same thing. I’ve done it, and managing, storing, backing up, my music library costs more than Spotify. And assuming you don’t just pirate everything, add the cost of purchasing albums on top of that. And my time is worth minimum wage at least. I would happily pay someone to just handle this stuff.

[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 1 points 4 months ago

Personally, I’d like an open API so I could use it with foobar2000. Not OP but I long for the same thing. I’ve done it, and managing, storing, backing up, my music library costs more than Spotify. And assuming you don’t just pirate everything, add the cost of purchasing albums on top of that. And my time is worth minimum wage at least. I would happily pay someone to just handle this stuff.

[-] ToffeeIsForClosers@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Bandcamp.com

You can listen to the tracks, ad-free, get recommendations below the album listing (maybe other ways too), buy DRM-free and support the artists better than any streaming service would be willing to.

If you do go local library and are looking for recommendation algorithm, Apple Music (the app, not the streaming service) sells DRM-free as well and has the Genius function that will group songs based on similar preferences. However, I don’t believe it will pull in recommendations outside your own library. Worth checking.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

This isn't exactly what you asked for, but I want to recommend somafm, which is an internet radio site. They have a bunch of different channels with different themes/styles.

This is a good option since you don't want to maintain a library. Rather than a recommendation algorithm, the channels are intentionally curated by people, and occasionally live dj-ed.

You can use their web player, but they also provide stream links for any media player that can handle them. VLC can do that, or you can use a mobile app.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 3 points 4 months ago

Thanks for the suggestion! Will give it a try tomorrow.

[-] Venicon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Sorry if I sound dense but when you say non drm what do you mean?

I have used Apple Music for years and not had any issues.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

It stands for digital rights management. Apple Music has drm. I do recall back in the day that anything purchased on iTunes was pretty easy to strip the drm off of, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore.

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

I've moved songs to local storage from iTunes in recent memory. It's literally just easily convertible files that all of my software and hardware can already play. Of course Apple Music is DRM, though, it's streaming.

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

You can do what I do, and use an app with an algorithm, then find those songs elsewhere through a service of choice. I personally use Deezer for discovery, then buy on Qobuz. From there, I can just use Qobuz, or move the files elsewhere.

Apple Music/iTunes is the only thing somewhat close, and was my old preference. iTunes DRM is practically non-existent, and Apple Music syncs with iTunes purchases (even if a song is on iTunes only), with an algorithm on top.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Instead of "with an algorithm" say "with a recommendation algorithm". Algorithm is a very generic term that can mean anything.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 0 points 4 months ago

What else could it mean in terms of a music app?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Sorting algorithms, categorization algorithms, compression algorithms, etc.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 4 months ago

Ah, thanks for the explanation

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago

Spotify has DRM, but it's relatively easy to bypass with something like librespot if you want to download tracks.

[-] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

I scrobble to Last.fm for recommendations, but I'm not sure you can get DRM free without maintaining your own library.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 4 months ago

I think I'll have to keep using ytm

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

Deezer maybe? Qobuz?

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

If you don't want to maintain your own library why does it matter whether it has DRM?

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 0 points 4 months ago

I don't want to support services intentionally restricting users. It's defective by design

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