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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by MicroWave@lemm.ee to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Ukraine is hesitating to sign a U.S.-backed deal that would grant American companies access to 50% of its rare earth minerals in exchange for continued military support.

President Zelenskyy cited legal concerns and the lack of security guarantees.

The deal, pushed by Trump allies, aims to showcase Ukraine’s value to U.S. interests while reducing reliance on Chinese minerals.

However, Kyiv’s 2021 strategic partnership with the EU complicates negotiations, as European leaders resist surrendering shared resources to Washington. Talks remain ongoing.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Trumps idea here is much more than the usual Trump stupidity. First, Trump gets fat mineral rights for doing about nothing. The Ukraine loses 20% of its original (pre-2014) size, but gains no real security like a NATO membership. And the Europeans should work and pay for all this, while having no say in the whole thing.

This is no deal, this is rape.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

You’re one hundred percent correct aside from:

~~the~~ Ukraine.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

the 'deal' the diaper is working on between him and ukraine is a sham.

i think the real 'deal' is between him and putin: 'give us (me) half of some of the goodies there and we'll not stand in your way to take the whole thing'

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

I agree that the deal is a sham, but I think the goal was to present a deal so obviously unacceptable to Ukraine that they would be bound to refuse and Trump can then point to it and say Ukraine is uncooperative therefore he can refuse to support them any further.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Ukraine got used to weaken Putin and now the US sweeps in and recoups the cost for free. Ukrainians lose part of their country to Russia and hand over the minerals of the other half to America.

Imagine being Ukrainian and having died for this.

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[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

DONT SIGN SHUT from the Orange Retard

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hahahaha.

Dude, like half the reason of this war is about control over Ukraine’s resources.

It’s like his version of Putin’s special military operation.

Special wartime profiteering?

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What happens if he signs the deal, gets the aid, beats Russia back and reneges? Serious question.

"American warship, go fuck yourself."

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 5 points 4 months ago

The US already abandoned their promise to protect Ukraine from a Russian invasion after they agreed to give up their nuclear arsenal, so I can't imagine why they would trust us this time especially with a nutjob like Trump at the helm.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The US promised they would not invade Ukraine, but they never promised they would protect Ukraine.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

The US promised to aid Ukraine should they ever be invaded after giving up their nuclear arms. Go read the Budapest Memorandum, specifically section 4.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Like a reasonable person who sees a proposal with huge future impact - he is likely consulting lawyers ("is this permissible by law?") and other politicians ("is this a good move currently or strategically?").

Then comes time to present counter-proposals. One of them may be "we get considerably more help from Europe and they don't ask for half of the country's minerals - on this background, let's revise assistance and security guarantees upwards".

Trump's current proposal is such a poorly chosen one that one could show it to Xi and ask "for this extreme price, would you reign in your vassal named Putin, and cut exports of anything with a microchip into Russia?".

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Poor Ukraine. One side wants to kill them all and steal the land, another side wants to rape its land, not to mention bordering Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary who are the bitches of Putin. We live in a sad reality

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

One side wants to kill them all

Not that I like fascist Putin, but isn't the civilian casualty rate in Ukraine extremely low to other conflicts we've seen recently like the genocide in Gaza or the invasion of Iraq?

[-] onecarmel@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

They deliberately target schools and hospitals, so take that as you will

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Of course it's always difficult counting the dead, and Russia doesn't allow any monitoring of this kind of thing in the territory it controls. But it's likely the number of civilian deaths is around double that of Gaza. The numbers for the military is likely more than double that.

Ukraine does it's best to protect it's civilian population and their soldiers wear uniforms. Hamas does not wear uniforms, and actively prevents civilians from evacuating from areas where there's combat operations. In fact having combat operations happening in populated areas was basically the point of massacring villages while taking hostages, both of which are war crimes. If you want to negotiate a prisoner release you don't massacre villages, if you want a war that minimizes civilian casualties, you don't take hostages to densely populated areas.

Hamas created a scenario to maximize civilian deaths, and it will probably never be known the true number of civilian deaths since they didn't wear uniforms so the number of Hamas dead and number of civilian deaths can't be distinguished. Israel claims half the number you see reported are Hamas, while Hamas claims it's much less.

Note the difference between a military that protects it's civilians and wears uniforms and what Hamas is doing. Larger numbers of soldiers than civilians die in Ukraine because they prioritize protecting civilians, while larger numbers of civilians than soldiers die in Gaza as fodder for their propaganda machine.

Note that Hamas is suddenly wearing uniforms as soon as a ceasefire is in effect. How often do you remember seeing them wear uniforms in combat when doing so would prevent civilian casualties? They have uniforms, they just don't wear them in combat in order to maximize confusion which results in civilian casualties.

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[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Only because Russia is failing to do what they've really wanted to do since the beginning, or did you forget Bucha.

They're still stealing children by the thousands though.

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[-] SilentKettle@lemmy.wtf 2 points 4 months ago

Handover the mineral wealth in Crimea and other occupied areas subject to them being under Ukrainian control but leave mineral wealth in free Ukraine out of the deal to provide some motivation for Dopey Donald.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Seriously. The biggest deposit is sitting in occupied land...

[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The biggest deposit is currently sitting in the White House.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

EU could just make him a better deal?

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Just tell the US they can have any resources they can liberate from Russia. We’d have tanks at Moscow in hours.

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[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 0 points 4 months ago

not worth the paper it was printed on

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago
  1. Require enough support from the US to push out Russia completely out of ALL occupied territories, including Crimea.

  2. Require full and permanent membership of NATO

  3. Allow access to 25% and only from uninhabited areas that aren't nature reserves. Leave it up to the US to pillage and destroy the country completely

[-] aleq@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Obviously this is not something you can base a deal on, but I think a lot of the stupid shit Trump is doing will be undone if the US ever has another election. So in four years, the deal will be overturned or renegotiated. Maybe it can even be declared void?

[-] tym@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I hate to break it to you, but this is Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin's party now. America died in November and gave way to some bastardized techno-autocracy-kleptocracy mutant.

Here's a great piece to get up to speed quickly. Good luck out there! https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The Republican Party controls the entire U.S. federal government.

Why would they ever willingly give that up? Because the laws say they have to? The laws they've been ignoring?

[-] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

At this point I wonder who is worse Trump or Putin.

[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Both are worse than the other.

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