Europe Preps Huge Defense Package in Boost to Ukraine: 'Never Been Seen' : worldnews

[-] indomara@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

This was in the side bar of that article.

What the fuck is this timeline?

[-] wellfill@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well to his credit he, as of now, still murdered less people than Kissinger.

[-] linkerbaan@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 days ago

Are they going to buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine? If so that would be a massive W for Trump and the military industrial complex.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago

They're just realizing that the gig is about to dry up, so they're doing one last round of embezzlement.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago

That is the only way, to tell Ukraine that it still has real allies, that as much as the USA withdraws, we will put in. Any other option is to be a whore and pay for the night.

[+] Pherenike@lemmy.ml -34 points 4 days ago

I'm sorry, but it's obvious Zelenskyy does not give a flying fuck about Ukraine. All he cares about is planting those sweet NATO bases right at Russia's door, just like they agreed decades ago not to do. He is using his country as a killing field for the US to gain advantage over Russia. Not that Russia is an innocent lamb obviously either. Just... please read about the origins of this conflict and do not for a second buy into the 'Zelenskyy champion of anti-imperialism and democracy' rhetoric the EU loves to use. This is a lot more complex.

[-] Birch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

So I've been trying to make authentic Pelmeni, but I keep finding conflicting recipes about the ratio or use of ground pork and beef to use and also whether to use dill, do you have a good recipe?

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lmfao

100% pork, dills, smetana and salt on top of the pelmeņi after boiling or steaming.

(I'm a Finn but love pelmeņi)

[-] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Thank you Ivan for your well thought out and sourced opinion. (/s obviously)

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

It's honestly awesome to confirm that most people cannot think any further than "if you don't side with them, then you must side with the others".

[-] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago

You are actively spreading unsourced demonstrably false "information". You are going far and above just "not siding". The reaction you are getting are not surprising at all. If you genuinely are not trolling/intentionally spreading mis-information then I don't know man... Do something about the way you say things ?

(btw: eurasan times is well known for being biased, partial, and spreading misinformation)

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you'd opened the link you'd know that Eurasian Times is referencing an article by Telegraph.co.uk that analyzes a draft sent to Zelenskyy by Trump to which it claims to have had access. So it's not even a piece of news by Eurasian Times. Would you also say that The Telegraph is well known for being biased, partial, and spreading misinformation (aka Pro-Putin)?

Perhaps I would, but in the sense that they tend to favor NATO/US interests.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee -4 points 4 days ago

Of course, Zelenskyy is an evil ruler who hates his people, and that justifies a violation of his sovereignty and the annexation of their territories, because ... well because ... I don't know something that blames Brussels bureaucrats, neither is that you strive a lot in the narrative

[+] Pherenike@lemmy.ml -7 points 4 days ago

Yes, Zelenskyy is a shell of a human being, and so are Trump and Putin. Brussels' bureaucrats do not play any significant role in this conflict, and neither does he. Just look at who just spoke a few days ago to negotiate peace in Ukraine. Was Zelensky there? Nope. That should tell you who matters and who doesn't.

This is also quite telling:

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/trumps-plan-to-extract-500-billion-from-ukraine/?amp

[-] Foni@lemm.ee 0 points 4 days ago

Of course, sure, Zelenskyy, Trump, and Putin are exactly the same. My goodness, how could this kind of cheap, third-rate propaganda be influencing some people so much?

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

And what propaganda would that be? I just said I didn't like any of them, so who has brainwashed me? China? 😧 Do you even know what the definition of propaganda is? Seriously...

[-] Foni@lemm.ee -2 points 3 days ago

Oh, come on. Fine, I'll put it in writing if you need it.
The first step in the oldest playbook in the business says: if the leader you want to defend (or the company, or the country, it doesn’t matter) does something so obviously wrong that it’s indefensible, make the rival look the same. It doesn’t matter how, it doesn’t matter how much, just muddy the playing field.

Putting Putin and Zelenskyy on the same level is exactly that, and it’s damn transparent to anyone with half a functioning brain.

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ah, right. So if I don't like Zelenskyy and Trump, it MUST be because I like Putin. No other option possible. Such genious, complex geostrategical thinking!

If I point out what is criticizable about Zelenskyy, it must be because I want to justify what Putin has done. That indeed does sound like propaganda, come to think of it.

There is more in the world than black and white, love. And certainly in international politics. You're the one spouting exactly the same heroic nonsense as the EU. I'm trying to tell you there is more to this conflict than that infantile "good guys" and "bad guys" viewpoint.

But whatever, suit yourself.

[-] Foni@lemm.ee -3 points 3 days ago

Zelenskyy is a shell of a human being, and so are Trump and Putin

You're not criticizing things about Zelenskyy that are worth criticizing; you're equating him to Putin, putting the aggressor and the victim on the same level, and you do it with the obvious intention to minimize Putin's faults. You're not adding nuance to a leader or contextualizing things; you're simply implying that the one who has invaded and violated a country's sovereignty is the same as the one defending against it.

I'm not going to respond to you again because you're making a fool of yourself if you think this is going anywhere. But if you wanted to have a serious conversation about what Ukraine could or couldn't have done differently (Ukraine, not Zelenskyy, who has been in office since 2019, when Russia already had everything ready, not since 2014), you'd have to start by understanding that Russia is the aggressor, that Putin is an imperialist, and that nothing others do will change that.

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Zelenskyy is not the victim.

Ukraine and its people are.

He is using this conflict to benefit the US and through that himself in spite of his country.

Russia and the US are now talking what share of the Ukraine cake should each have.

And that is disgusting, and is the main thing here.

Learn to read comprehensively.

[+] vfreire85@lemmy.ml -10 points 4 days ago

the more money they put in ukraine, the less people have spent in their territory, the more likely it will be for far-right, pro-russian politicians to get elected. putin is something of an evil genius.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 days ago

When you get your political framework from marvel movies

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