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If you're Anti-NATO then you're Pro-War
If you’re Anti-NATO then you’re Pro-War
This absolutely make no sense. NATO is a pro-war organization that for a century fueled wars and violence to preserve its member wealth and authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
"According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
People like to pretend the government its their friend and that the army job is to defend innocent people but look around, poor people live in misery and the only thing being protected is corrupted politician's ass and their friends mega corporations.
In attempting to describe what NATO is, maybe try not to go all the way back to the cold war. NATO is a defensive alliance and a weaker NATO makes war more likely.
The organization didn't change. The italian government that was shaped back than still exist today as the current ruling party is hereditary of the figures involved in the organization i linked.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli
Also don't forget that between the cold war and now there have been dozens of wars and conflicts
Not many things are the same as they were during the cold war, obviously.
Got anything in the past, say 20 years, that would validate your description? In terms of NATO's actions, rather than vague hereditary claims?
Fun Fact, a NATO response requires all of its members to fight together as one. The Yemen strikes was an operation supported by 8 of its members, not by NATO. In much the same way, US invasion of Iraq was not a NATO response and in fact several NATO members condemned it when Bush attempted to invoke article 5 after the World Trade Center was destroyed, but I still think that would have been a much better citation for you to use.
Not sure why you're including an exercise as "proof" of NATO being "pro-war" but ok. Especially one performed in response to Russian aggression. I do know why, it's because you're grasping at straws.
These missile strikes in Yemen weren't NATO, and were a justified defense against attacks on cargo ships regardless.
And then a wikileaks link with nothing of substance.
So you've got nothing to justify such a ridiculous claim, even when given 20 years to go back to.
Do you think Russia is an aggressor/pro-war imperialistic country?
Open and read the links instead of skipping them and perhaps you will understand and get a better picture of what nato is and what they do. What you are dismissing as "vague hereditary claims" are court cases in italy.
Not sure why you’re including an exercise as proof of NATO being “pro-war” but ok.
Practicing war and wasting billions in doing it through all the year to me enter in the definition of being pro-war or i'm gonna assume during these exercises they practice hugging and making peace with each others.
Missile strikes in Yemen weren’t NATO, and were justified defense against attacks on cargo ships.
Not NATO but a coalition of countries members of NATO which means that if the houthis attack them back they are attacking NATO...
And then a wikileaks link with nothing of substance.
"Nothing substance" that points out yet another wrongdoing of an organization you are claiming to be good.
I didn't claim "everything NATO ever did is good", nothing meets that standard. You're the one still failing to prove they're "pro-war" and dodged the question about Russia. Nice try vatnik.
Lmao what a dumbass
NATO is the worlds largest mutual defence pact. The entire reason Russia was able to invade Ukraine was because Ukraine had never joined NATO.
Lmao what a dumbass
You sound like a bully, just like NATO
Oh those bullies preventing China and Russia from attacking whoever they like. How dare they do that? /s
“According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them”
You want to talk about psyops and delegitimizing the left wing, China helped elect Donald Trump. China actively props up their allies Russia and North Korea.
Ever notice that all of your supposed stances and concerns are directly opposed by every action the people you support are taking?
Ever notice that all of your supposed stances and concerns are directly opposed by every action the people you support are taking?
Excuse me who i'm supporting?
YDI
YDI. The first sentence of every comment is literal Russian propaganda. Clutching your pearls at forced conscription during an ongoing invasion speaks to a level of privilege I rarely see, even online. Zelenski is touring "the royal courts," because he's prostrating himself to beg for money, weapons and aid for his country. Wars aren't free, especially when you're up against a global power.
You're playing loose with the facts, and nobody is buying it.
Or would you rather they roll over and go, "Sorry, we're all outta gas. Russia just has more bodies to throw at us"? Become part of Russia? Good thing you weren't in charge of the country, or you would have run up the white flag years ago.
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YDI, I live in Ukraine.
You are a tankie! And we both know you are lying about your alleged concern for human rights.
Let's hope one day you will be on the recieving end of russian genocidal imperialism.
The story of Donbas Cowboy, Russell Bentley also comes to mind for some reason:
Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.
According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.
Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.
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YDI
The comments that got removed are very well known points used by Russian propaganda farms
You may or may not know that. You may or may not be doing that intentionally. But you know the whole "if it quacks like a duck..." bit? You're quacking like a propaganda farm.
Now, I'm not saying that holding those opinions, if they are actually your opinions, isn't your right. It is, fully, your right to believe however you want. Doesn't matter if I like it, if agree with it, or even if I would punch you in the snout for a given opinion (and I wouldn't for these), it is your right to hold those opinions.
But it is a mod's responsibility to filter out bad actors like propaganda farms. The only effective way to do that is to observe what those farms are saying, and remove anything that spreads the messaging. Sometimes, actual people will get caught up in that. It's unavoidable, and regrettable even (since there's no chance to possibly talk the person into a less unrealistic stance, which is possible for the folks that swallow propaganda like this). But it is necessary.
Remember, that applies to anything that's being pushed by propaganda farms. IDGAF of it was Ukrainian farm talking points, EU talking points, or wherever, it would still need to be filtered out because this isn't their fucking platform. Lemmy, even more than Reddit, is a platform of individual people, not government actors. It has to be rigidly protected or it will go the way reddit is going.
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I don't like conscription either, but you're essentially saying the allied leaders are just as evil as nazis for conscription so that they can have an army to fight the nazis...
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Lol. Why do you focus on the third sentence in or something and somehow assume the 2 sentences before, containing 100% propaganda and misinformation, wouldn't count towards propaganda and misinformation, but somehow it's this one thing? Just tell me how an democratically elected president, who is still backed by like a vast majority of the citizens is somehow an authoritarian ruler?
And why do you keep having the same problem every 4 weeks?
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