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"The real benchmark is: the world growing at 10 percent," he added. "Suddenly productivity goes up and the economy is growing at a faster rate. When that happens, we'll be fine as an industry."

Needless to say, we haven't seen anything like that yet. OpenAI's top AI agent — the tech that people like OpenAI CEO Sam Altman say is poised to upend the economy — still moves at a snail's pace and requires constant supervision.

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 142 points 3 months ago

Correction, LLMs being used to automate shit doesn't generate any value. The underlying AI technology is generating tons of value.

AlphaFold 2 has advanced biochemistry research in protein folding by multiple decades in just a couple years, taking us from 150,000 known protein structures to 200 Million in a year.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Thanks. So the underlying architecture that powers LLMs has application in things besides language generation like protein folding and DNA sequencing.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 months ago

alphafold is not an LLM, so no, not really

[-] dovah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

You are correct that AlphaFold is not an LLM, but they are both possible because of the same breakthrough in deep learning, the transformer and so do share similar architecture components.

[-] Calgetorix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

And all that would not have been possible without linear algebra and calculus, and so on and so forth... Come on, the work on transformers is clearly separable from deep learning.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It's always important to double check the work of AI, but yea it excels at solving problems we've been using brute force on

[-] match@pawb.social 5 points 3 months ago

I'm afraid you're going to have to learn about AI models besides LLMs

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

AI is just what we call automation until marketing figures out a new way to sell the tech. LLMs are generative AI, hardly useful or valuable, but new and shiny and has a party trick that tickles the human brain in a way that makes people give their money to others. Machine learning and other forms of AI have been around for longer and most have value generating applications but aren't as fun to demonstrate so they never got the traction LLMs have gathered.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Well sure, but you're forgetting that the federal government has pulled the rug out from under health research and therefore had made it so there is no economic value in biochemistry.

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah tbh, AI has been an insane helpful tool in my analysis and writing. Never would I have been able to do thoroughly investigate appropriate statisticall tests on my own. After following the sources and double checking ofcourse, but still, super helpful.

[-] ToaLanjiao@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

LLMs in non-specialized application areas basically reproduce search. In specialized fields, most do the work that automation, data analytics, pattern recognition, purpose built algorithms and brute force did before. And yet the companies charge nx the amount for what is essentially these very conventional approaches, plus statistics. Not surprising at all. Just in awe of how come the parallels to snake oil weren't immediately obvious.

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

I think AI is generating negative value ... the huge power usage is akin to speculative blockchain currencies. Barring some biochemistry and other very, very specialized uses it hasn't given anything other than, as you've said, plain-language search (with bonus hallucination bullshit, yay!) ... snake oil, indeed.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Its a little more complicated than that I think. LLMs and AI is not remotely the same with very different use cases.

I believe in AI for sure in some fields, but I understand the skeptics around LLMs.

But the difference AI is already doing in the medical industry and hospitals is no joke. X-ray scannings and early detection of severe illness is the one being used specifically today, and will save thounsands of lives and millions of dollars / euros.

My point is, its not that black and white.

[-] makuus@pawb.social 12 points 3 months ago

Very bold move, in a tech climate in which CEOs declare generative AI to be the answer to everything, and in which shareholders expect line to go up faster…

I half expect to next read an article about his ouster.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Is he saying it's just LLMs that are generating no value?

I wish reporters could be more specific with their terminology. They just add to the confusion.

Edit: he's talking about generative AI, of which LLMs are a subset.

[-] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That is not at all what he said. He said that creating some arbitrary benchmark on the level or quality of the AI, (e.g.: as it's as smarter than a 5th grader or as intelligent as an adult) is meaningless. That the real measure is if there is value created and out out into the real world. He also mentions that global growth is up by 10%. He doesn't provide data that correlates the grow with the use of AI and I doubt that such data exists yet. Let's not just twist what he said to be "Microsoft CEO says AI provides no value" when that is not what he said.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That's because they want to use AI in a server scenario where clients login. That translated to American English and spoken with honesty means that they are spying on you. Anything you do on your computer is subject to automatic spying. Like you could be totally under the radar, but as soon as you say the magic words together bam!...I'd love a sling thong for my wife...bam! Here's 20 ads, just click to purchase since they already stole your wife's boob size and body measurements and preferred lingerie styles. And if you're on McMaster... Hmm I need a 1/2 pipe and a cap...Better get two caps in case you cross thread on.....ding dong! FBI! We know you're in there! Come out with your hands up!

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

The only thing stopping me from switching to Linux is some college software (Won't need it when I'm done) and 1 game (which no longer gets updates and thus is on the path to a slow sad demise)

So I'm on the verge of going Penguin.

[-] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Just run Windows in a VM on Linux. You can use VirtualBox.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah use Windows in a VM and your game probably just works too, I was surprised that all games I have on Steam now just work on Linux.

Years ago when I switched from OSX to Linux I just stopped gaming because of that but I started testing my old games and suddenly no problems with them anymore.

[-] JaddedFauceet@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What software / game is that? it could still run in Wine or Bottle.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Plants vs. Zombies garden Warfare 2. It used to run on Linux but then they added Easy anti-cheat which broke compatibility.

They don't update the game anymore and they've essentially abandoned the franchise after the flop that was battle for neighborville so I'm not too sad leaving it behind. Was a very fun game though.

[-] JaddedFauceet@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That's sad... i am not able to play battlefield 2042 after switching to linux too. For the same reason, their anti cheat is not compatible

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

He probably saw that softbank and masayoshi son were heavily investing in it and figured it was dead.

[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago
[-] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 0 points 3 months ago

R&D is always a money sink

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It isn't R&D anymore if you're actively marketing it.

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