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Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

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[-] adam_y@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Unpopular opinion, but in the west particularly, folk have mistaken writing on the internet for action.

Tweeting resistance rather than performing it.

A lapse into inaction framed as radical rest and self care.

Online they are fierce warriors of justice, offline they go to work in Starbucks, use their apple devices to talk to their families and enjoy the treadmill of streaming services.

And this isn't to blame them. This is the point of consumerist capitalism. To trap you in a gilded cage.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Well observed. People pour a lot of energy into political actions. The question is what that energy gets used on.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That would make sense except when you realize this is new media and is exactly how the right is warping minds. Elon didn't buy Twitter because he was bored. We cannot concede all social media to the right and until there is a platform that can't be bought the people won't ever have a voice.

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is why I've stopped reading much of the content I had been reading before. Unless an article is about what someone is doing to stop what is happening, what is the point in reading it? I don't care so much about the bad, rather in how the rest of us are preventing it.

For all the people complaining, I haven't seen many talking about what steps they are taking to change the momentum. I get why I've may not want to announce what protests they are attending, but I haven't noticed much new talk about mutual aid or volunteering efforts. I know the recent political climate globally is motivating me to be involved in both.

I'm waiting to hear back in a volunteer position helping local wildlife, and once I get that schedule worked out, I've already started looking into local food aid opportunities as well.

If our society is leaving gaps unfilled, as you said, it's up to us to fill them ourselves before we all fall through.

[-] gon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don't feel the need to dominate others.

Evil isn't "winning" as much as it is "on top." If you look around, talk to your neighbours and such, you'll see that good and reasonable people are everywhere; good is the overwhelming majority.

That being said, positions of power are chased and coveted by those obsessed with power, and those aren't good people. Good people need to take charge, but it's


in a way


against their nature to do so.

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

good is the overwhelming majority.

Let the overwhelming centrist majority in 1930's Germany tell you otherwise. People who peacefully ignore evil, even if it's preserve their own safety, are not good at heart. People just don't want trouble or disturbance, that's why people are naturally kind from day to day. But ignoring the piles of bodies while saying "no politics at the dinner table" is literally how the holocaust happened - the majority failed to act.

1930's Germany at least had the excuse of limited information/education, all they had was radio from which only Hitler's voice was present. 100 years later with the worlds knowledge at our fingertips, ignorance to politics is a choice. Might I say an evil one, all things considered.

[-] gon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

That's not a very generous interpretation of people... Though I can't exactly contradict you.

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I've been lied to, gaslit, and blamed by my self-proclaimed "centrist" family my whole life, been called alarmist my whole life when i've been pointing at these very same things coming from a mile away. There are tons of others that did the same, at least alt-right MAGA freaks give you the time of day to argue. Centrists though? They're the first to say they "dont really care much about politics" yet hold their heads high with masturbatory egotism and confidently proclaim "both sides are wrong, I disagree with extremists of any kind." They're betting their childrens lives and future on their own malicious ignorance, like that joke with the priest who denies life saving medication because "Don't worry, God will take care of me," but replace God with the Markets and you have the modern day peasant that'll rat you out to soldiers for "heresy" and have you hung, disembowled, or burned at the stake. A person of self-interest is not a person of reason.

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I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice [...]

-MLK Jr. in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail

[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago
  1. Rampant unchecked capitalism of recent decades has created large wealth disparities akin to the earlier decades of the last century. It is no longer possible for one person in a household with a regular job to support a modest lifestyle for their family. All benefits especially medical for the whole family, being completely intertwined with the current job reduces mobility and further feeds into the wealth gap by keeping wages low. It’s easier to blame the powerless for this state of affairs than the powerful because the powerless cannot object.
  2. The fear of the other has been accentuated by media and misinformation. Targeted algorithms feeding most of the information that is consumed has created echo chambers that reinforce existing beliefs and fears. The propaganda state has never had it easier.
  3. The large military and police has given never before control to the state about what is allowed to be protested. Combined with the day to day struggles, it’s extremely hard to come together for what is right. The ruling class is able to maintain the fine balance between absolute misery and general dissatisfaction that it is still better to struggle through a thankless job than to say fuck it. Failures of recent large uprisings like Middle East and Hong Kong have reinforced the futility of standing up against the rulers.
  4. Evil has many heads and there’s always one head that you can find alignment with. It could be the deregulation of businesses, lower taxes, anti abortion, racism, but as long as there’s one thing you can align on, the general sense of powerlessness makes it easier to overlook the other heads.
  5. The line between evil and good has never been murkier, especially with globalization. If you focus on the betterment of your community, it would be considered good, but what if it leads to suffering of others outside the community. Is it also evil? What is community - is it the people in your neighborhood, your religion, your country, fellow business owners? The fuzzier these lines are, the harder it is to untangle them.
[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The common version of the phrase...

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

The actual version of the phrase...

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Why does it feel like evil is winning globally?

Propaganda works.

We are now innundated with it. And the answer is not "anti-propaganda" although sometimes that helps a little.

The answer is everyone needs to learn how media works; How words and images and sounds form the world.

And to do that requires the help of media corporations.

[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Have you ever cheated at a game, cut corners on work or purposefully did something unfair to get better from it yourself?

Yeah it's much easier to win without any pesky ethics or a strong moral compass.

Good folks have been struggling uphill since the Ancient Greeks as long as there are folks trying to win with a different rule book.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago

I think the issue in America, is that the Constitution only addressed political power, but failed to account for fiscal strength. Money is inherently a thing that manipulates the fates of individuals, companies, and nations alike. By not setting down rules, limitations, and expectations regarding economics, the Founding Fathers allowed a key form of power go unaddressed.

The vast majority of Project 2025's major backers are wealthy people, who have far beyond what any normal person can ever hope to possess. This imbalance means that workers have to sacrifice much time, money, and energy to be barely heard on a single issue, while a rich person can just hire experts to massage every aspect of their many messages and to deliver it everywhere with a mighty voice.

IMO, we will need a Constitution v2.0 that fixes not only assorted political flaws like the voting system, but also prevents wealth from being a microphone that only a few can afford.

[-] CompleteUnknown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

[-] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Evil is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win. As long as good keeps fighting with one hand tied behind its back, evil will keep gaining ground.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The internet. It led to the following:

  • Good social change occurred very rapidly from the 1990s-2010s, causing highly motivated pushback from those who didn't like the changes
  • Rising wealth inequality caused by tech billionaires increased incentives and capability for a small number of extremely wealthy people to seize control of media and political power centers
  • Foreign dictator governments became more able to more easily spread pro-dictator propaganda
  • Media became more decentralized, leading to some good things but also the hijacking of our psychology to spread fear and disgust for the sake of grabbing attention
[-] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My opinion on this generally boils down to that the system has been set up to reward evil/antisocial behavior, and this part of the system is so entrenched and well established and organized that it has not been effectively and completely toppled or eradicated in so long, it has been able to consolidate power and resources to a point where very few extremely evil people are personally in charge of so much of what happens that it seeps into everything. Actually "seeps" is the wrong word, it's injected into everything. It's like has been said many times in recent memory, the cruelty is the point.

For a simplified example, evil executives reward evil behavior by their managers, who in turn punish their employees, who lose control of so much of their lives to these companies and managers that they end up hurting their families and friends out of confusion and anger and other complex emotional reactions, and harm is perpetuated in every area of life.

It's self sustaining, and even worse it replicates itself. In some ways I think of these systems as viruses. Also as cults. We all buy in to some degree.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Class solidarity among the rich. Rich people want willing servants. They want people to fear disobeying them.

[-] AkikoMasayoshi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

People are scared and angry and want action without thinking about the long-term gains only the short term. Creating fear is fascism 101 and how many rise to power

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because the return of massive wealth disparity - similar to having kings again - has allowed those with money and power to bend the world in the direction of some form of dictatorship, whether it be fascism, oligarchy, whatever…. The New Kings are carving up society and want to increase control and profit, and an authoritarian governance is the way to do it. Just like how they treat their corporations. They are dictators, the little people are disposable production units to feed their machine.

[-] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How did we overthrow Kings again? Something about us becoming ahem "Enlightened" during some sort of era or period? What can we learn from the successes and failures? How did Europeans get ideas of freedom, autonomy, equality, and question of authority from when all they knew about was Kings and Divine Right? Did they perhaps go to some kind of ahem New World with a matchcoat and musket to live and trade amongst the natives for 200 years?! Perhaps there was some sort of ahem Indiginous Critique on European Culture that sorta blew the minds of the French, English, and Dutch alike? Perhaps they wrote some plays about this! That they could disobey or :gasps: impeach their leaders? That pursuasion and reason might be more important? Perhaps over some coffee and pipe tobacco? Oh right, next thing you'd think i'd say is they didn't trade or so much as look at silver? How they MUST have had a "Market" how else could goods or heirlooms possibly trade hands? Certainly not gifts, quests, or gambling! Jeez, I wonder if we still have something to learn from these ideas that were just too darn complicated for Ben Franklin and Jean Jacque Rousseau!

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

That's, ironically, how the white supremacists felt all these years lol

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why would they feel that way? Not enough privilege, racism, genocide, etc? I don't think that's how regular people are feeling.

[-] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I think about this often. It's the overall world view for some people. It's hard to escape the bubble, despite us clearly seeing how stupid the bubble is from the outside. Sometimes I wonder if some people are so afraid of failure that they have to have something, anything, to hang their pride on. Choosing your race or skin color to be proud of is much easier than being proud of your community or actions or cultural expression or scientific achievements. Probably because those things shift and change and require thought and patience. In their minds, they may not think they are privileged but rather victims. They may not think they are racist, but that they are looking our for their own and just misunderstood. A lot of it is victim-mentality and quite frankly collectively narcassistic. I don't think this is unique to white supremacists, but any supremacists at all.

[-] Cabadobedia@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

If you're genuinely curious you could experience what Fox News offers (or here in Canada, Rebel News) - for many years these platforms have placed a concerted effort into stoking either rage or fear about the most ridiculous topics. The kind of rage and fear that make white supremacists feel like their "evil" is "winning".

Propaganda is a powerful tool, and it's wielded unceasingly by those with resources. Entire industries have come to rely on the sweet-sweet injection of Propaganda $$$, including the completely unregulated "Influencer" industry.

Throw religion into the mix and... it can be real easy to label pretty much anything as "evil"

[-] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 0 points 1 month ago

I just talked to my superior about the most urgent thing EU countries are facing currently. I should add that he is 100% disabled but studied in CS and reads everything which is interesting to him and his world view.

When I said that social media dictates the discussions and the media, we agreed on the thought after a short period.

And if we could solve this issue we mostlikely would get awarded a noble price.

What I am trying to say: Social media is run by - at least - flawed people. And used by the evil ones to their maximum, putting the honest Ones into a position to explain.

We are loosing our discourse, we are mixing our cultures - or we split at our ethics.

Social media is a cancer with no current treatment. Civilians will be in favor of social media since it also benefits society directly. But we are diminishing other things with it.

Maybe there will be one more brilliant mind educated who may aid us in these times.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

IMHO, It's the algorithm that's the real devil.

For a long time, it was us against the bots and the companies. But we no longer know what's being given to us because it matches versus what's being given to us because they're paying for it to be seen.

The danger is the algorithm gives us a steady stream of what we appear to want. It's serotonin. Then it's weaponized. There's no appreciable difference between the ads, the propaganda, the creators honest content and the creators paid content. We're getting echo chambers of what we want and paid advertisements to sure that up.

People see it on Facebook and TikTok and just take it as read that what's being presented is truth. Even the ones that are savvy to bias end up getting swept along with the tide.

The only way to stop this is to demand disinformation and fact-checking. But instead of that, everyone seems to be hell-bent on knocking out private conversation where we might be able to communicate and are being forced to rely solely on whatever the algorithm allows us.

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

There’s no appreciable difference between the ads, the propaganda, the creators honest content and the creators paid content.

Well said.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Algorithm needs to be regulated. (Meaning: Recommendation algorithms should be monitored to make sure that they're not 'discovering' that they can manipulate people with fear, anger and other base negative emotions.)

We already know that the most motivating things for humans is fear and anger/outrage. We also know that these are not healthy emotions for the individual or for society and yet we allow social media algorithms to to maximize engagement using fear and anger.

In addition, it is very hard to craft a message that is both appealing and true. It is much easier to craft a message that is appealing if you can get rid of the Truth constraint.

These are probably the two core issues that are causing us the most strife. Unthinking recommendation algorithms have identified content that stokes base emotions like fear and anger as being the ones that generate the most 'engagement'; and people, seeking to exploit these algorithms for personal gain (advertisers, political actors, etc), craft messages to maximize their engagement (anger/outrage, fear) while ignoring reality/truth/facts because reality is too hard of a constraint.

The flip side of this is that you see people, who practically live on social media, start to unconsciously adopt the same messaging style because it works even better as people become attuned to the fear and outrage.

So, now you have a feedback loop of people being conditioned by algorithms to be maximally outrageous and those masses of people spontaneously generating memes and social connections that reinforce outrage and fear.

This poison is now spreading into our social institutions and governments. Facts matter less than saying things that are outrageous and valuing the truth is obviously a silly proposition. After all, it's plainly obvious that it is much harder to get upvotes if you care about the truth...

Try it, go to a community that matches your political leanings and try to correct misinformation. If you're not banned you will be buried in downvotes because people don't value the truth as much as they value an entertaining lie.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I wanted to let you know there is an option in your settings so you don't see upvotes or downvotes.

Lemmy (AFAIK) doesn't even show you your total upvotes (karma... whatever it's called) by default either. None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

So why don't you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

I know I have.

(Lemmy is rad as fuck)

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

We need more violent good guys

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Everytime we talk about violence being the only way to create change, limp-dick liberals bitch about how peaceful protests are the only way.

Liberalism helped build this hell, and it's determined to maintain it.

Leftist need to get guns. Now.

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[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because good times create weak people. Weak people create difficult times. Difficult times create good people. Good people create good times.

I think we're ushering into the era of weak people creating difficult times, after having good times for a while.

Edit/extra commentary: What I mean to say is, in America at least, we've elected people who are weak in character, to represent us. Money seems to matter to the people making decisions more than anything else. That in turn creates a difficult time for the people of the society that elected them. I think in a world consumed with money, fame and superficial things like that, people of good character stand out.

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Capitalism is dying because of unchecked greed and people are turning to socialism. The wealthy choose fascism. Until we have class unity. Once we bring out the guillotines, They will retreat to spending the rest of their lives in the bunkers they have built with their stolen wealth.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

"Once we bring out the guillotines"
Depends where you live.
I hear the hardcore revolutionary libs in the US have found a much more powerful way to defeat fascism... buy nothing for 1 day.

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