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LibreWolf is to Firefox what BetterBird is to Thunderbird? (www.betterbird.eu)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Had never heard of this before today. Anyone tried it?

EDIT: "Being a fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, the software collects some data about the user, less than the original Mozilla Thunderbird, as outlined in Thunderbird's privacy statement. No data is submitted to Betterbird, some data may be submitted to Mozilla. No telemetry and no crash reports are submitted, however, add-on updates and blocklists are downloaded from Mozilla sites. Betterbird offers a product Start Page which processes access data as described above."

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[-] kixik@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Librewolf is a privacy oriented fork of Firefox, it grabs some setting from arkenfox. Betterbird is not a privacy oriented fork of Thunderbird as far as I remember. When I tried it the only thing I was attracted to was its tray support, but as I use non DE compositors, so far wayfire, labwc and sway (tabbed layout), and as there's currently a Firefox bug, I didn't see any reason to keep trying it, and now on sway with tabbed layout I see no reason for a tray any ways...

kixik

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

fork and arkenfox

[-] kixik@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks !

[-] A_norny_mousse@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago

Interesting.

Did you read their website/faq? It very clearly tells me that Betterbird has a very different focus than LibreWolf. It's not about Privacy, it's about fixing bugs.

[-] Oxidize@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

What you're looking for is Dove:

Dove is a suite of configurations & advanced modifications for Mozilla Thunderbird, designed to put the user first - with a focus on privacy, security, freedom, & usability.

https://codeberg.org/celenity/Dove

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you very much! Will definitely take a look. 🙂

[-] despotic_machine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago

BetterBird is great. I got it running via Birdtray under Cinnamon with some minor tinkering in the birdtray-config.json file.

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

How did you get it working? I am using the latest Mint with Cinnamon, Betterbird flatpak with Birdtray flatpak. I setup the directory for my two email inboxes and it displays the joint counter on BT icon. However whenever I open BT it opens BB and gives an error and keeps BB open over anything else.

[-] despotic_machine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

birdtray-config.json

Edit the following strings:

"advanced/tbcmdline": [
        "/usr/bin/flatpak-spawn",
        "--host",
        "flatpak",
        "run",
        "--branch=stable",
        "--arch=x86_64",
        "--command=betterbird",
        "--file-forwarding",
        "eu.betterbird.Betterbird",
        "@@u",
        "%u",
        "@@"
    ],
    "advanced/tbprocessname": "betterbird",
    "advanced/tbwindowmatch": "Betterbird",

In Birdtray under Advanced - Thunderbird command line - call Betterbird as follows:

/usr/bin/flatpak-spawn --host flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=betterbird --file-forwarding eu.betterbird.Betterbird @@u %u @@

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago

Thank you, I'll give it a try

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago

Hopefully we can get a Betterbird mobile app one day.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago

Try FairEmail. It's the closest thing I've found.

https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.email/

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

I was looking into k-9 mail and it seemed decent

What stuff did you want to have in a mobile app?

[-] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

K-9 mail is literally Thunderbird. It’s been rebranded and taken over by Mozilla. They’re keeping the k-9 branding as its own (otherwise identical) app as a nostalgia token for the people that have used it for a long time.

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 months ago

Will it work with K-9/Thunderbird for Android?

[-] zecg@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

What do you mean "work with", it's a different-ass client? Do you mean if it's possible to import settings?

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

The email servers themselves are separate (ex. Gmail, your school email server, work email server, etc.).

Thunderbird / K9 are clients that let you access the email on your device

So they should all be compatible with each other

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Ok, duh, you're both right of course; late night/early morning brain fart here 🧠💨

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

No. Betterbird adds random features.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 3 points 4 months ago

Are there the same problems with Thunderbird as with Firefox?

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

There are no "problems" with Firefox. The problems are with Mozilla and how they operate Firefox, so they could easily start affecting Thunderbird too.

[-] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 months ago

The Thunderbird team spent a good chunk of time a few days ago replying everywhere they were mentioned on Mastodon, insisting that the problems did not apply to them:

The Firefox Terms of Use do not apply to Thunderbird or any other products we develop (e.g. Appointment, K-9 Mail)

You can check out their replies here: https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird/with_replies. Lots of the same, or similar, verbiage across replies.

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I tried to use LibreWolf yesterday. The Flatpak version wasn't supported by KeePassXC, so that was a pass for me. The Fedora version did work with it, but it was also freezing my system and causing graphical glitches that were so terrible, I thought my hardware died. There were coloured blocks as well as weird pixelated warping. It's probably because I have Wayland, and I noticed that the Fedora version ran under X. I would have submitted a bug report, but I didn't even know where to start. Maybe I'll do that eventually.

E: I have narrowed this down with journalctl to be an issue with amdgpu. This happenes on Firefox as well, but not other applications somehow. It's something to do with a gfxhub page fault. I'll have to see whether an older kernel version might help.

[-] asap@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Strange - I'm on Fedora Wayland using the flatpak version without any issues.

[-] CedarA64@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

No issues with the flatpak version on OpenSUSE Leap with KDE Wayland either.

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