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U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.

A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.

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Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there's no paywall and more detail in the story.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 269 points 2 weeks ago

The U.S. Military and the CIA must know what a threat to the country Trump is, right?

......right?

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 131 points 2 weeks ago

The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that's directed by his people?

[-] ShadowRam@fedia.io 61 points 2 weeks ago

his own people,

of which are wildly incompetent

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[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Here's the pickle though. Wouldn't it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

Like what happens next? it's such a bleak world now.

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 66 points 2 weeks ago

Sometimes I wish the US were what tankies say it is.

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[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago

"Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?"

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 145 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to successfully resist invasion by a third country?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 97 points 2 weeks ago

Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he's told by his master? Yes, lots.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 weeks ago

Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.

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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 130 points 2 weeks ago

The US wouldn’t stop military aid to Israel while the IDF destroyed hospitals and killed children and journalists among many other war crimes. They will freeze aid to Ukraine as it defends itself in a war of conquest. Evidence suggests the USA would rather align with criminals like Putin and Netanyahu than war victims.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

That really is a stark contrast. What do the apologetics say about this?

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[-] Ronno@feddit.nl 129 points 2 weeks ago

until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil, how is that not making a genuine effort toward peace?

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 2 weeks ago

He means "capitulate to the enemy"

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 118 points 2 weeks ago

This is what I hope happens next: Ukraine wins anyway. European politicians that still weren’t sure about defending themselves without the US will be emboldened not to rely on America anymore. Europe as a whole becomes stronger and much less willing to tolerate Trump’s obnoxious demands, and see him as the weak puppet that he is.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 63 points 2 weeks ago

At some point, Europe has to start wondering whether it's really such a good thing to have US military bases all over their continent.

[-] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

Build up the EU military. Kick the US out. Free airbases.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Weak puppet with strong army. What makes anyone think stopping aid to Ukraine is all he can do. The sanctions against Russia are going to be lifted next, and if necessary, the aid is going to Russia. Europe has enough power against Russia, but not against Russia + the US.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 88 points 2 weeks ago

So the record currently stands at...

Zelensky - Let's try a deal, we just need security guarantees

Trump - Why are you so Disrespectful?

Zelensky - Let's try a deal, we just need security guarantees

Trump - Putin is a victim we're undoing sanctions

Zelensky - Let's try a deal, we just need security guarantees

Trump - Why won't Zelensky do a deal?

Zelensky - Let's try a deal, we just need security guarantees

Trump - We're stopping Aid.

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[-] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 73 points 2 weeks ago

Not shocking, but fucking abhorrent nonetheless.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago

How much more do we have to witness before we accept, as a society, that Donald Trump and the GOP are enemies of the United States of America, and act accordingly?

We are suffering and losing our position as a world leader because of a felon rapist traitor. When are we going to stop this?

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago

When are we going to stop this?

When congress starts impeachment proceedings. Call your representatives. Listening you complain is their job.

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[-] Sati1984@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago

Each time I read "Trump orders", "Trump does X", I always ask myself: "Wait, can he do that? Congress? House? Judiciary? Cheks? Balances? Hellooooooooooo...?"...

... but this is still the first few months of his second term. At this pace, he will be a literal king in a few more months.

A scary prospect to say the least, and I hope it's not too late for America to do something about this. This should not be normalized. This cannot be normalized.

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[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 64 points 2 weeks ago

Ok. Part 1 is done. Part 2 & 3 (order doesn't matter) is that Trump ends sanctions and then stages a massive false flag attack that they then blame on Ukrainian Extremists upset over the ending of support to enact a full police state.

Part 4: ???

Part 5: profit

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I'd say that fighting off Russian invaders so your country can return to the peaceful state it was in is working towards peace.

Alternatively, has he asked Russia if it would just go home? Seems like another pretty efficient way to achieve peace.

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[-] Lanske@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

I have not a lot of knowledge how American politics work, but isn't this for congress to decide? how is Trump so powerful? (sorry for my daft question)

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

It's very illegal. He has already been impeached once for withdrawing military aid to Ukraine in his first term.

And you see where that got us.

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[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It isn't daft. The Republicans since Reagan have pushed a fringe legal theory called the Unitary Executive Theory. Basically, they want the president to fully control the executive branch and military such that theirs is the only voice that matters for much of the government. Not unlike a king, but partially checked by congress and the courts. They have been taking (illegal) actions to try to get sued, and also have been suing others/other branches of government, to try to get the Supreme Court to hear cases that will support this fringe legal theory so that it becomes the law of the land.

I am not a lawyer, but this is possibly something Trump can legally do since he is Commander in Chief of the armed forces. However, this seems more like an apportionment thing, which is Congress' responsibility. Congress has allocated funds to send military aid to Ukraine. So, even if Trump as Commander in Chief could say "no more weapons to ukraine", it seems doubtful to me that he could (legally) stop weapons shipments currently en route.

But, by the time whatever government office sues the office of the president to get a judge to enjoin them to send the agreed upon weapons that were already apportioned, it will already have hurt Ukraine somewhat. Trump often weaponizes inefficiency. And these sort of illegal acts aren't crimes per se - they're just procedural breaches - the legal remedy is just to reverse the action.

So, probably not legal. But Trump gets to weaponize his administration's incompetence (or feigned incompetence) to at least delay aid. More competent people may support these actions, knowing they're illegal, to try and strengthen the president's role even further.

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[-] Soulg@ani.social 32 points 2 weeks ago

Republicans hold the majority in congress, so they're refusing to push back and are just allowing him to usurp power from them.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

It is for Congress to decide such matters. It says so right in our constitution, but our Legislative branch has been ceding their ability to check Executive overreach for decades. Now, with a complicit Congress as the majority, they will never challenge Trump on anything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal it might be. Same goes for the Judiciary as well, chock full of partisan hacks who bend and twist their interpretation of the language of the constitution to cherry pick a favorable ruling for anything that Trump does.

Basically, our system of checks and balances that are meant to keep one aspect of the government from becoming too powerful has been completely subsumed by ideologues who prefer monarchy to democracy. The executive now essentially has unchecked authority and is in full control of the government apparatus.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

how is Trump so powerful?

The Republican party controls Congress and they have abdicated their responsibilities to our Constitution and, by extension, the American people in favor of an authoritarian because they have accepted him as their leader, thus giving away their own power.

Our forefathers never expected Congress to give away its own power. Because it doesn't really make any sense in the long term for them to do so.

We are experiencing a coup. Most Americans are too uneducated to understand this.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago

This is what got him impeached the first time, right?

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[-] ShadowRam@fedia.io 50 points 2 weeks ago

He's having a melt-down because the rest of the world is siding with Ukraine (as they should)

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago

Just as his master told him.

The US media still does not dare to call Trump a Russian agent, despite him showing all symptoms.

There has been no single Russian attempt to destroy the US being as successful as putting their own agent into the White House, right into the Oval Office.

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[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 38 points 2 weeks ago

Poland, it'd be really cool if you all "lost track" of those shipments.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 weeks ago

I would love to see everyone just start ignoring Trump and everything he says and just keeps doing their job.

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[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

It's like appeasement again only worse, because at least the motivation for appeasement was ostensibly to avoid conflict.

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[-] Nunar@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

He's a Russian asset. How is this a surprise?

[-] Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago

Since he can't do this and needs congress' help, why aren't they stopping him? Why are they all bending over backwards to please Putin?

[-] skygirl@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

Because the only meaningful political move for Republicans today is to follow Trump. If they push back they get cut from the pack and lose support.

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[-] OmarDontScare@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

I kinda wonder what people in the 3 letter agencies are thinking right now. I would hope that enough of these agencies actually view Trump as a fundamental threat to democracy, because he actually is. People have warned for this to happen, for a while now, even though many are surprised at the speed at which it happens. But still, you would kind of hope for some of these agencies to actually stand for the constitution, instead of for the ruling party and his current president.

The US is so much more than just the current political ruling class. It's sad that there seems at least, to be so little visible opposition to their efforts to derail the US geopolitical power and to overthrow the system of law and order. One who the Republicans should hold deep, and definitely the people who pledge their allegiance to the constitution. I wonder if it would have gone different if someone like Saunders or Obama would have tried a similar play.

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[-] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

Who had ‘Trump Picks a Fight With Zelenskyy In Order To Justify Pulling out Of Aid Agreements- Thereby Allowing Russia To Walk On In And Take What They Want’ on their bingo card?

We all saw this coming, right? The whole bullshit forced argument he created… Tell me I’m not the only one that knew this was set-up to justify withdrawing all support and letting Russia have Ukraine.

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

Don't worry guys, I'm sure she's about to get SLAMMED with a lawsuit. That'll show him.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Entire admin is pathetic losers. And thanks a lot to all those geniuses who wouldn't vote for Kamala because of Gaza, this is partially on your hands

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[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago

How is this not seen as anything but a massive conflict of interest by anybody with any sort of authority in the current government? How?

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[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago

In exchange for what from Russia?

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