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[-] st33lb0ne@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Germans know the evil and danger of nazis and fascism better then anyone else. Fuck Trump and fuck Elon

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Do they? They are gleefully supporting the genocide in Palestine.

[-] El_Azulito@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That’s the spirit. …Cause fuck Nazis. Germany gets it. They’re like, “Trust us, ve know how dis turns üt.”

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

At what point do the board members and shareholders fire Herr Musk?

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well, one of the board members is his brother and the rest are loyalists so probably not until a shareholder revolt.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

What do you call it when half the Teslas in a showroom are on fire?

A good start.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine you buy a car and it gets burned down because the owner of the car company turns out to be a Nazi.

I would like Tesla to go bankrupt too but cheering on regular peoples property being destroyed is wrong.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Because this is one of the only ways to attack a billionaire.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

But you hurt the regular people way more.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

If they are insured, no.

Insurance premiums will go up on teslas.

Then people will buy less tesla.

Then Musk will get margin called.

[-] Aux@feddit.uk 0 points 3 weeks ago

Premiums going up will hurt regular people more than Musk. Hurting your fellow countrymen is such a lefty thing to do...

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

It will only hurt people who continue to own Teslas when they renew their insurance. They are part of the demographic supporting Musk, so fuckem.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah conservatives were totally the largest market for EVs before Musk took the mask off, right? You people truly have not spent even a microsecond thinking this through.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What? This has nothing to do with politics of the consumer. YOU haven't thought this through.

The point is to damage Musk. If you continue to use his products (rather than sell or scrap) then you are part of the problems.

This is true for cars, websites, AI, satellite connectivity etc.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

You don’t get to decide who uses what product and commit vandalism acts if they choose differently than you.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

You would be attacking Musk. The users of the product get compensated. In fact, an insurance write off is a better financial option than the second hand market.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

No, you wouldn’t be attacking Musk, you are attacking random people.

If you want to attack Musk, then target his own properties, not random people’s; not that I condone violence either way.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

People are attacking Teslas future income stream.

That means they are attacking the current Tesla share price.

That means they are attacking Musk.

Normal people are compensated by insurance.

Future tesla owners will need to pay higher insurance premiums.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

You know people can attack Tesla’s future income stream simply by not buying a Tesla.

There’s no need to destroy random citizens private property and we already established they are not made whole by insurance.

It is naive to think insurance prices will only rise for future Tesla owners.

If I disagree with something you do, that does not justify me destroying your private property.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

You know people can attack Tesla’s future income stream simply by not buying a Tesla.

And you can attack it even more by dissuading other people too.

There’s no need to destroy random citizens private property

There is a need if faster results are sought.

and we already established they are not made whole by insurance.

Then sell before it's vandalised.

is naive to think insurance prices will only rise for future Tesla owners.

This is how insurance works. Brands, models and even colors have different premiums.

If I disagree with something you do, that does not justify me destroying your private property.

It's not about the Tesla owner directly. It's about damaging Musk.

I should state that I am not going to damage anyone's private property, but current and future Tesla owners should be aware of the logic behind the attacks and act appropriately.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.

You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have. That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.

Besides, you tell people to sell their cars, while you acknowledge the big financial hit that would involve; who are they going to sell it to? Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.

Maybe I've already sold my Tesla and I'm no longer supporting Musk in any shape or form. I might be changing the mind of a Tesla owner currently reading this.

You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have.

Agreed. You are free to choose your own car along with it's associated running costs.

That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.

It is how insurance works. If causes of risks can be directly identified and measured then they can be directly priced. Any insurer not doing so will lose business.

who are they going to sell it to?

They will have to drop the price until they find a buyer. That will affect new car sales and damage Musk further. See how this works?

Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.

Yep. For a low enough price, people may be willing to take the vandalism risk and also become a social pariah.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Again, maybe one days you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens, and only then you might change your mind. It doesn’t need to be about Tesla. It doesn’t even need to be about something you agree with.

Insurance prices will rise across the board, maybe more for Tesla, but also for other brands. That is just how insurance works.

You can impact new car sales simply by encouraging people to not buy a new Tesla. You don’t need to destroy people’s private property to accomplish that goal.

You are condoning terrorism. Do better.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Again, maybe one days you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens,

Only if I buy a Tesla.

Insurance prices will rise across the board

Nope. This vandalism risk is only related to Tesla.

also for other brands.

Why? They are not being vandalised, have no change in risk so have no premium adjustment.

That is just how insurance works.

You obviously have no idea how insurance works.

You can impact new car sales simply by encouraging people to not buy a new Tesla.

Agreed.

You don’t need to destroy people’s private property to accomplish that goal.

Vandalism accomplishes the goal faster and more aggressively

You are condoning terrorism. Do better.

I'm condoning nothing. I will even explicitly say Don't Vandalise Cars. Happy?

What I am doing is explaining how Musk is affected if people continue to vandalise Teslas.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Only if I buy a Tesla.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yes, you are the villain here.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Holy shit. Did you just invoke Martin Niemöller in defense of a Nazi?

Unbelievable.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

No. I invoked it to highlight the absurdity of this line of thinking: that it is somehow acceptable to damage the property of a worker who may be completely innocent.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's absurd because there is no slippery slope. People are not going to start torching Ferraris or burn windows 95 CDs.

It's offensive because you are using it to defend an actual Nazi.

Is it somehow acceptable for Elon to damage the lives of millions of worker who may be completely innocent?

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

See you keep saying "defending a Nazi". I keep saying "you're torching the personal property of people who are not Elon Musk and who likely innocently bought the vehicle". If you're just going to talk right past me and start talking about Musk when I'm talking about individual workers, I don't see how this is a real conversation at all.

But just to be clear: torching Teslas that Musk already got paid for does not hurt him.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Just to be clear: torching Teslas that Musk already got paid for does hurt him.

  • Less people are going to buy vehicles that are often vandalised (by torching or other means) and cost more to insure.

  • Demand for Teslas goes down.

  • Less Teslas are sold.

  • Tesla makes less revenue.

  • Less dividends in the future.

  • Lower share prices now.

  • Musk loses money.


Trying to claim this isn't true = defending Nazi interests.

Individual workers should blame Musk. Not protesters.

[-] Kiliyukuxima@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Totally agree and the fucker already got the money. They are just fucking other people's lives. However, we can agree that if you think you're buying a car that someone is going to burn down, then that's a good deterrent to buy them. So I can also see the positive side of things. And all these cars are probably insured against vandalism anyway

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