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submitted 3 weeks ago by Mee@reddthat.com to c/politics@lemmy.world

Sanders is one of the most popular politicians in the US, and his political analysis and messaging remain as relevant and compelling as ever. But while his Tour to Fight Oligarchy is inspiring and important, the broad left badly needs a political vision that goes beyond Sanders.

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[-] Rookwood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 2 weeks ago

Bernie is the only leftist in the Senate. So until that changes it will be impossible to move beyond him.

[-] Halosheep@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago

I think the language is funky. They're saying beyond, like take his ideas and go even further, not move away from Bernie. They want more and better of him.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 weeks ago

Luigi, because Bernie was our compromise.

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

We need a progressive takeover of the democratic party. The MAGAs tranformed the republican party in what 10 years?

If we have midterms it has to start then.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Probably won't happen. The DNC are conservatives and the majority of the US is too. Most ppl are too dumb/uninformed to see left leaning politics is what they actually want

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago

Centrists need to stop telling leftists what to do and what is good for them or they're going to keep on losing elections.

[-] Lyrl@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's not coming from a centrist in this case: the article is written by someone who argues Bernie is insufficiently left.

[-] splonglo@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Bernie is the left's most effective advocate in the US and we need more of him.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 21 points 3 weeks ago
[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, but also I think a Godzilla sized Bernie Sanders could do a lot of good.

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[-] singletona@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

No.

The Left needs to get rid of fucking Schumer.

Let Bernie retire, because the man was there for the signing of the declaration (pretty sure his signature is just below Adams's.)

Let the man retire. Get rido f the Quaislings that seem content to be ineffectual opposition.

Do stuff other than beg the base for money and give people somethign they can be involved in. Start looking at community efforts. Build ties at the base's own level so the base SEES the Democratic party Doing stuff locally that HELPS them.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, that's basically what the article is saying, too. Just a lot more detailed, with a lot more research and evidence to support their assertion.

[-] singletona@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Always good to have facts backing up what was already a 'known.'

Schumer has turned the democratic party into a top down mess that is ineffectual and will continue to be ineffectual because nobody expects the Democratic party to be able to do anything, and for that to change there needs to be a bottom up restructuring.

[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 20 points 3 weeks ago

No, the left needs to study Bernie and take notes. Then elect politicians exactly like him.

[-] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

A new party is needed. Be done with the garbage that we currently have

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I believe the left needs to start listening to Sanders. This man is a genuine champion. He, for decades, has been shunned by his colleagues, and yet he has never wavered in continuing to fight for all of us. I wish I had a fraction of the courage this man has.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bernie is like the only leftist rep. You mean the center-right needs to start listening to Sanders.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

this is basically saying, we are currently at -10, Sanders is at +3 and we need to jump to +10 right away. Not gonna happen unless through civil war.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Republicans were at -3 pre 2016 and they've ratcheting up to -10 pretty quickly. If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for you can drag the rest of the party along to the edges of the Overton window pretty quickly.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for

...the party's geriatric republican-lite leadership will ratfuck them out of the primaries.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

More of a revolution than a civil war.

Despite all the maga bots online. There are very few die hard maga in real life.

And I realize that most of the military is Republican.

However. Trump has been fucking over the Vets pretty hard.

He also has removed a lot of the military's top leaders. People who the military personnel respected.

Surely this is going to start eroding the military personnel's loyalty.

But then I also remember how Republicans have consistently voted against their own interests.

And how many people in Russia are against the Ukraine war because they have friends and family in Ukraine. And their soldiers keep dying.

Yet...they are still following orders to attack.

Things are so uncertain.

But if the American people have to literally battle anyone in our own country it's going to be us vs our military personnel.

And they have weapons and training.

Our only real chance is using our intelligence over force. and our decentralized leadership is a strength. So one specific leader can't be targeted and disrupt the movement.

Basically guerilla warfare. Targeting propaganda, military resources, factories that manufacture weapons, and imports. And a priority is Trumps secret police force. ICE.

Because they are removing people who would stand with us. Taking away our resources.

We need to target their communication systems.

There is a few ways that can be done.

Physical disruption or by overloading their systems with inaccurate information.

Of course many of these targets potentially negatively affect the civilian combatants too.

We have to really plan this well. Be strategic.

We need to start preparing for this possibility though. Now. Right now.

I hope we can do this the legal way and get him arrested.

But if not, then we will have to consider plan B.

Every day we move closer to B. Already we are seeing more effects by vandalism of Tesla's. Vs judge orders.

I personally hold not only the 10 Dems who sold us out. But every single Republican who voted yes on the CR too.as well as voting in unqualified department heads.

The representative dems and Republicans who have not stood up to him.

They also are just as responsible.

The judges who have allowed him to continue his obviously unconstitutional activities.

Every single person in Trump's cabinet.

They will all be held accountable for their actions when this is said and done.

We won't forget. They are traitors.

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[-] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

This article is not what we need right now.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

we can't get more than what sanders wants if we can't even get what sanders wants

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[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

there wont be anyone like sanders or aoc,, and all other imitation dems turn out to be shills for the gop.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

When the party supported him instead of pulling funding, it should have been clear that he was lying about being a progressive.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Almost like some sort of grassroots 3rd party that is literally too radical of an idea for you fools in this community who argued Biden (and Harris) was somehow more leftist than Obama.

[-] fff45667@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, let's lose worse.

Without ranked choice voting, the only option is to fix it from within.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with a lot of this article, but it doesn't really acknowledge the reality of the Democratic leadership's obstruction. The party is, generously, a slightly left-of-center organization that prioritizes stifling their own left wing over defeating their far-right opponents. They've successfully held off two of Bernie's presidential runs, redistricted Bowman out of his seat, and Pelosi has spent so much time and effort undermining the squad (and AOC personally) that it borders on pathological.

I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Bernie in this article, and beyond that, he's just too old to be in the Senate, much less the standard bearer for the entire left, but the Democrats have spent decades making sure there's no viable alternative. We need to move past Bernie, but we need to build an actual progressive movement that can get past Democratic obstruction to do that, and for now, Bernie is still the de facto leader of that movement.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

They're center right at best, they dont advocate for workers solidarity and actively distract workers from unity. They demand compromise with capitalists yet give the workers nothing. They are only left wing in social policy, on economics and governance they are fascism lite.

[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Even on social policy they have to be coaxed into it by a large activist movement and they'll ditch it if the Republicans make too big a stink

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[-] tacobellhop@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

The sit out centrists need to vote

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

The left is way beyond Bernie Sanders, Democrats need to move beyond Bernie Sanders

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

They need to move to the left of dick cheney first.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don't see that happening, they've spent years whitewashing/normalizing the Bush administration to give up now

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Trash article.

Their foreign policy criticism of Bernie is that he told people to vote for Kamala, and she didn't do enough to stop the genocide in Gaza.

Like Jesus Christ, people like this are why the Democrats cant win.

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[-] rock_hand@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

We need more like sanders. Fuck the democrats. I want independents and I want all those who aren’t on board with the Democrat party to recognize it’s time for a change. Especially now in this time of rebuilding while conservatives are in power.

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