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[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago
  • Live somewhere that doing so is viable.
[-] Rokin@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago
[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago
  • Be able to afford to live somewhere dense enough.
[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

I became much richer when i moved into the city and sold my car.

Cars are a drain on your money, time, and mental health

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I spent enough money to buy a house in 15 years of rent in the nearest city.

I rode a bike and subway mostly of that time until we got fed up giving landlords all our savings and bought a car and moved to the country to start a family.

[-] pc486@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Here's a convenient list of affordable cities in the US.

https://youtu.be/IKxR06isoLU

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

OK, those are the solutions for people living in a city center. Commutes are short enough to walk or bike, and for longer trips, there is a bus or tram every five minutes. Got it.

And what would be the solution for those people living outside the city centers? Biking from here to the city is 20km, nearly an hour downhill towards the city, but at least one and a half back up. Busses go every hour, but only Mo-Fr during the core hours. In the evening or on weekends, bus traffic is spotty, to say the least. And Trams, well, we don't do trams or trains in the country.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Design better cities. End sprawl.

But it's probably too late for cities already designed to be suburban hell to make any changes that dont involve redesigning and tearing up half the city. I mean, its possible but unlikely in north america at least

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

You have to differenciate between sprawl and people living outside the city basically forever. Remember: cities are the new things, not the other way round.

[-] LPThinker@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Cities are centuries older than cars though. Cars are the new thing. And yet it's true that cars are an obvious QoL improvement for anyone in a rural area, and no reasonable person is suggesting that people in rural areas shouldn't drive cars.

The real issue is that Americans (among others) have decided they want all the convenience and amenities of living in a city (sewer, water, energy, convenient access to most goods and services, etc.), but they want to pretend they live in a rural area, with no density whatsoever. This has resulted in the suburban sprawl that is financially ruinous and requires cars to be able to go anywhere and do anything, which creates traffic, which we solve by building bigger roads and pushing things farther apart, creating more traffic.

Thus, the answer really is that if you want city amenities, you need to live in a city. It doesn't have to be as dense as New York. Not Just Bikes just posted a great video about the smallish town of Bergen in Norway that is not a super dense urban hellscape, it is medium density with human-centric development.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Nobody is suggesting people in rural areas to live without a car.

Fuck cars is about eliminating car dependency in cities. Actually, forget eliminating car dependency. I'd be happy if we could stop this silly car size arms race and ban these huge pickup trucks and SUVs in cities

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure cities are like as old as history. They certainly go back a while https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities

[-] Rokin@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

So it's bike, bus, train and walk. I mean, yeah.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 months ago

Been living in NYC for (oh no I'm old) many years. No car. No complaints.

People imagine "the city" is all times square on New Year's Eve but it's not. The streets are rarely empty, but it's also almost never shoulder to shoulder dense.

I find the suburban emptiness depressing, personally. I like other people being around.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Step 5: Get hit by a car while on your bike and wind up with lifelong injuries because your city does not have bike-friendly infrastructure and riding on major roads is essentially a death wish.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Lol, you think horrific injury with permanent loss of limbs stops north americans from driving?

[-] borokov@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Mmm'k, I'll take the bike next time I'll bring 300kg of concrete from the store...

The problems is not having a car. The problem is taking its car everyday for less than 5km to go to work.

Yes, you can live without any car if you live in a big city (in 30m2 apartment 😝), eat in restaurant, go to cinema, etc... and love this way of living.

But if you want a house, with decent garden, close to nature, then it becomes hard to live without car. Not that you must take your car everyday, I have an electric 50cm3 equivalent bike to go to work.But yeah, when I do the garden and have 3/4m3 of organic waste, it's hard to evacuate this by bus...

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

I’ll take the bike next time I’ll bring 300kg of concrete from the store…

To be fair, you could get a bike trailer that handles 300kg, and it would be way more affordable than a pickup truck or van.

But are you doing this often? Are most people??

When I get something large enough to require a cargo van, I usually just rent one for like $20.

It's about using the most appropriate vehicle for the job, with a priority being on the one that causes the least harm to the environment and community.

A car is not appropriate for most of the trips people take, and a truck/SUV even less.

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