The main thing I'm learning from this thread is that a surprising number of people don't shut their machines down when they're done using them. Which is wild to me.
A lot of modern windows laptop don't let you shut them down.
They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.
Thankfully it can be disabled via AD policy.
Shouldn't have to use fucking group policy just to stop your machine updating at inopportune times. Fucking Windows.
Ah yeah I forgot about hybrid sleep as I turned if off years ago and forgot it existed. Such a nonsense feature.
Or just disable the Fast Startup option
Ah yes, the greek hydra of IT. Disable one policy, two more shall take it's place.
Why would you? Sleep uses so little power and the resume is instant.
If it wasn’t for S0 standby being such a piece of shit I’d never shutdown my computer unless it was for an update or hardware maintenance.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I've not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it's also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it's not too much time and effort. But there's normally no need to shut computers down, it's just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
See I want all the junk from yesterday.
Just like the brain computers need off-time to calm their electrons and unflip their bits.
/s but a lot of issues really are solved by a reboot
The only reason why my uptime is only a month is because I took my PC with me on a work trip which involved packing it.
My Windows 10 computer eerily waking itself from sleep got me in the habit of shutting it down completely every night. I'd be lying in bed, turn over and open my eyes, and see the light of the screen reflecting off the wall. It was like something out of a shitty horror movie about computers taking over the world.
To this fucking day, even in Windows 11, it takes "Update and Shut Down" as a mere fucking suggestion. About half the time, it'll restart after the update and just sit there chilling at the login screen. Not a single fuck given.
Linux is a breath of fresh air by comparison. Though, if you choose to run Arch you need to stay on top of updates or else a day will come where you won't be able to update because you're now too far behind. It can be fixed manually, but it's still annoying and a little scary if you're not familiar with it.
Imagine your oven or clothes iron turning itself on while you're not home. Why TF people just accept their computers doing this is beyond me. Either it's a boiling frog situation, or people simply don't remember the times us users had complete control over our devices and think things were always this way.
As an 80s/90s kid, I can tell you they most definitely were not.
The software is arrogant and needs to know its place. It serves the user. It should obey.
Did anyone else ever notice that Windows's enshittification really took off around the same time they renamed "My PC" to "This PC" ?
Always seemed like it was a subtle indicator they no longer considered it your personal computer but rather one they so graciously allow you to use once in a while.
Sus timing, though it's certainly just branding.
The whole "My-" prefix for "My Documents" and "My Computer" and all that is something that was around since the 90s, and really served to emphasise the "Personal" in "Personal Computer" at a time when PCs were coming into the home for the first time.
Nowadays that branding is really unnecessary and feels pretty antiquated too, especially in an era where most stuff for most people is online, and the emphasis is more on connected seamless stuff rather than a cute little folder to put your things in.
Our computer.
Their computer. You're just a user.
Linux users when their computer won't boot because they fucked up their grub config again: (Totally not me)
Are you distro hopping? That's when my grub would fail on me on a monthly basis.
Or just installed few months of missing updates, looking at you my broken Manjaro dual-boot
I'm always so amused when people are like "Uhm, actually, when you shutdown your PC it's not turned off, it's sleeping so it ca.." - Bro, no. sudo poweroff. It's off. Completely off. In fact, it would be hella annoying and fucking useless to configure sleeping.
Suspend on Linux just works as well. The PC will sleep until the user wakes it up.
Depends on which suspend tho. iirc there's one system that's forcefully being discontinued by big corpo, while the replacement is still very buggy everywhere.
Hmm, do you remember which one was it? Personally I never had problems with systemctl suspend or loginctl suspend.
Found it. AW article
It's called S0ix/Modern Standby/s2idle. It was designed to replace S3, but not only is it shit on Winshit and kekOS, it's also very unreliable on Linux in my experience. The true issue it that manufacturers started to discontinue S3 (so shallow/standby and deep/s2ram) in favor of s2idle. You can check which actions are theoretically possible in the kernel docs, and check which are supported on your system (and enabled) by cat-ing /sys/power/mem_sleep. That's what systemctl suspend chooses. My PC and Server still have deep, but my Laptop already only has s2idle.
My ex had one of them RGB everything rainbow gamer PCs.
Windows would auto boot to update in the middle of the night and turn the whole apartment into a rave...
damn, that sucks
also because that's the only thing about that ex i know, the only conclusion i can make is that you stopped dating because of random middle of the night RGB raves
I'm bottom even when I used windows because I turn it the hell off when I'm not using my computer.
Yes. Same with my TV and everything.
Windows does not wake up from "hibernation" to do "updates". What it really does is sleep walk during S0 sleep (aka Modern Standby) to check for updates, slowly draining your battery. Classic hibernation is not available while S0 sleep is supported by the BIOS.
Mac is also guilty of this.
What it really does is sleep walk during S0 sleep (aka Modern Standby) to check for updates, slowly draining your battery
More importantly, telling Windows to shut down doesn't really shut it down, it puts it to sleep.
Why is this true 😭
Nope. My Linux Mint randomly wakes up from sleep mode all the time. It's just a bug. Tried to fix it, never found solution. I guess I am fine with it. Well. Not really. Help me if you can!!11!!
Open terminal, run shutdown /s /t 0.
That should do a complete shutdown that windows can't wake itself up from.
Nvidia users having to shutdown anyway because the computer will hang when trying to put it to sleep:
Windows would always wake from hibernation/suspension by itself after 2 or 3 hours. Truly a feature, not a bug
I love how they wake up in my backpack so they can overheat AND drain the battery at the same time.
That's efficiency.
Accurate. Because mine won't turn on anymore after sleeping.
Actually my LinuxPC also wakes up from sleep ramdomly. Damn you nvidia...
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