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[-] enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago

I have a mac I use for some specific tasks. I’ll agree the Apple is, ehh, Apple.

But mounting network fileshares is dead simple. My SMB share pops right up, authentication works fine, the user interface for it is fine. If I wanted to use it remotely, I’d just export it over my tailnet.

’sshfs’ is good for short stints of brief use, but ultimately it breaks on a protocol level as soon as your socket dies, on any OS.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 week ago

Love how this meme once again shows a Linux terminal command (that only works on specific distros) instead of what most users would want (which would work on almost any user-friendly distro), the button in the File Manager to add the network share to your left sidebar.

Somehow people still believe CLI commands are superior, meanwhile people who just want to get Linux-unrelated shit done (that isn't IT-related either) don't understand what exactly happens here and won't be able to permanently add the share to their file browser this way. Y'know, the way most people would use it in their daily workflow.

Where Apple fails in proper software integration, Linux fails in feature communication. Instead of properly integrating features (Apple) or providing/focusing on doing things intuitively and accessibly (Linux), both want the user to start thinking their way. And I fucking hate it, it prevents Linux from becoming more popular.

[-] Souroak@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago

My biggest problem with Linux is that there are 8 ways to solve any problem. Some of these are distro specific, and all of them are THE definitive way to do it depending on who you ask. This comes up for me most when I want to make a change to something or do it again on a new machine.

For adding another network drive, for example I think oh it's called samba right and open the terminal and type in samba help. The response is: command not found do you want to install "samba-dc"? Okay so not samba. Oh that's right I edited a file. Now was it smb.conf? No wait maybe it was fstab.

It is getting easier as I get more familiar, but I have to wrap my head around every new thing that I want to do. It's no wonder people don't have the patience.

[-] AugustWest@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

I know this is just an example, but it is kind of funny.

User somehow sets up SMB shares on their network. Then is confused by the client?

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[-] banghida@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

You can click your way to the same feature in Nautilus. No need to even see a terminal.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah. You also can edit mounts via GUI tools instead of manipulating fstab. You can configure shares without opening smb.conf. You can do all these things, now if we would just communicate how user-friendly a Linux distro can be that would be nice. Right now it's still a wild goose chase to find instructions how to do things graphically and therefore accessibly and more safely, as every search first and foremost results in tons of (often time different) CLI commands. And there are too many in the community who counter with disabling or elitist bullshit, as if someone who isn't into RTFM for every click somehow can't be allowed to flip a switch. It's exhausting to fight against these sentiments, especially now where apparently a lot of people suddenly realize that Microsoft and Apple might not be the best idea to trust. People who just want use and trust their computer.

[-] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I'm with you on this. I think a youtube / peertube channel providing GUI only tutorials could do quite well and would help to further the linux cause

I'm too lazy do it, but someone should

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Somehow people still believe CLI commands are superior

Something that only a pure enduser would say.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, GUIs are even more distro-specific, so it's either generalisability or user-friendliness. It doesn't mean that guis don't have the option.

[-] AugustWest@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this meme once again shows a Linux terminal command (that only works on specific distros)

sshfs only works on certain distros? Oh you mean the apt install part.

the button in the File Manager to add the network share to your left sidebar.

I just browse to the network location I want and right click on the view in the file manager and select "add to places". It will be there on the sidebar until I remove it. Yes it is there after a reboot.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

I have this problem with Android. Google has turned the filesystem into unusable garbage, so you're lucky, if you can launch a gallery app with a file path and it allows you to actually go through the images in that folder.

And of course, that's with a local file path, so the situation is completely hopeless when your images are on a network share. Unless the gallery app itself implements the network protocol, you're out of luck.
Wanna guess how often that happens? Yeah, it simply doesn't. Even if it's theoretically just a library, when you build it into the gallery app, that dev has to continually maintain and test it.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I love how android uses ext internally, but doesn't support ext drives natively.

[-] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

I can't even mount my Android storage to my computer without some unreliable MTP FUSE program.

[-] mittorn@masturbated.one 3 points 1 week ago

@Ephera @renzev android fs is just sucks. You cannot share folder with other app because of gargage sepolicy. You can share folder descriptor to bypass mount namespace, but selinux will prevent accessing it until set to permissive mode. And android does not provide way to patch sepolicy for user.

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[-] green@feddit.nl 21 points 1 week ago

Wouldn't you just use AFS, CEPH, NFS, or 9p?

I really don't want to be that guy, but isn't SSHFS (FUSE) actually a terrible option when compared to an actual file-system? MacOS isn't really missing out on much there.

The most painful part of MacOS (which makes it downright unbearable for me) is that system configuration files are XML. It's an absolute nightmare.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

SSHFS is secure and works well over the internet. If you only want to access it over the LAN, then NFS is a much better option.

[-] synestine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

SSHFS uses SFTP which is built into SSH, so no server to install. Its not as fast as NFS, but requires no setup. For something small like a home lab, that is a big advantage.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I just wish both these platforms would get some modern remote desktop support built in. Remoting into Mac/linux vs Windows desktops feels like dealing with tech from completely different time periods.

Thank god most of my Linux remote work is ssh on the cli.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

You.. want remote desktop on kernel level?

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[-] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

I like using No Machine

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago

Running both Linux and macOS on a daily basis… They’re both completely competent, and have basically the same amount of rough edges once you dig in and get your hands dirty. If you find one of them impossibly difficult, it’s a skill issue.

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[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

What are you talking about? SMB on MacOS is crazy reliable!

[-] beirdobaggins@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The meme is talking about sshfs.

For smb, the share would need to be created first.

Sshfs is pretty nice because it will give you access to all of the files that on the server that you have permissions to access.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[-] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

You mean 'tips fedora'?

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[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

This comment doesn't render for me on the Thunder client

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

chuckles We use dnf here. tips hat and runs

Reformatted, they used the alligator thingies which probably became HTML for your client

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

I use nfs shares for this use case.

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[-] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago

macFUSE

I don’t know what you expected, that is a huge hack.

[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

TIL.

[-] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 week ago

Ah yes... secure shell for fuck's sake

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Can you not just brew install sshfs on a mac? (Assuming you’ve already installed Homebrew).

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, but you can do this:

brew install macfuse
brew tap gromgit/homebrew-fuse
brew install gromgit/fuse/sshfs
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