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[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Penn Gilette has always seemed to be driven by a level of honesty and compassion and valued the freedom to choose where to direct that compassion. I think earlier on he viewed other libertarians as having the same level of honest compassion as he does but over time it's become more and more clear that libertarians are overwhelmingly selfish rich white guys who don't want to be called Repuiblicans.

I mean in the early 2000s he was calling bullshit on the hysteria over the vaccine autism link saying the alternative of kids dying to preventable diseases is so much worse. He even gave the tenuous link a benefit of the doubt and accepted that even if they did cause autism,t he alternative is so much worse.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

There aren't many people who are willing to evaluate their entire political decisions and come to the conclusion that they were wrong. Even fewer who will admit it publicly. Even fewer still who will accept responsibility and then do something about it.

Of the people I have respectfully disagreed with, the fact that he's come around is a huge testament to his willingness to be humbled and corrected.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

There aren't many people who are willing to evaluate their entire political decisions and come to the conclusion that they were wrong

I doubt that his ideology actually changed much, but instead he just realized that the Libertarian Party didn't actually match it like they claimed to do.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

The New Hampshire libertarians went full tea party and dragged the rest down with them. I never expected to see anti LGBT rhetoric from a party that enshrined gay rights in their charter way back in 1972, at a time when the Democrats and Republicans were holding hands and chanting "God hates fags" in unison

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah I remember when libertarians were "I want a good old fashioned mom and mom Marijuana farm where they defend it with machine guns if they so choose". And back then my beef with them was climate change requires everyone to work in tandem and is an existential threat. These days, libertarians are Republicans who know to be ashamed to call themselves that

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

I never thought they were a viable option for taking one of the two main party slots, but I thought they had some good things to say and their voice should be heard. Now they're just part of the far right noise machine.

DAE DEI IS BAD????

No, LPNH, no I don't.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They're not even real NH people-- after the internet was invented all these freaks found each other across the country and made a pact to move to NH. Then there were enough of them to implement all the absolute stupidest of libertarian ideals in one place (not that I have much hope for even the best of their ideals to succeed).

They essentially astroturfed a party and made NH look like shit. Which is why this sweaty mutant is talking about toaster licenses.

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Was that when a bunch of libertarians flooded a town as new residents, dismantled the municipal government and ended up being overrun by bears because they didn't lock up their garbage cans after dismantling the requirements to lock up garbage cans?

[-] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agreed. If right-libertarianism could work at all, they'd need to be on the frontlines of boycotting companies that do bad things.

They claim that the government doesn't need to force desegregated lunch counters; people would stop eating there until that place either changed or went out of business. Alright. Are they going to be the first ones to stand up and boycott companies that do anything like that? Because from what I saw, they were the first ones to say "they technically have a right to do that" and then do nothing. Almost like letting them get away with it was the actual point.

Gilette seems to have caught on to this trick at some point.

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[-] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

anyone who claims to be "a libertarian" should be forced to watch the libertarian convention which YOU KNOW none of them have ever seen in their lives.

check out the ideas your "party" pushes. real big brain stuff.

there's nothing wrong with freedom, but regulation is necessary. to say otherwise is either ignorance, stupidity, or malice.

[-] TheFudd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm a libertarian because the only thing I hate worse than Democrats are MAGA Republicans - And at least unlike Democrats and Republicans, I'm well aware that my party is a joke.

And before you criticize me, I voted Democrat against that orange wannabe dictator THREE FUCKING TIMES, grinding my teeth and swearing as I did so every time, but I still fucking did so, so spare me the lectures.

[-] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't have. I've never voted party lines.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

Not going to try to preach or anything, but just wondering if you've ever read this article? Excellent read that sheds some light on real libertarian experiments and how they've gone wrong:

A Libertarian Walks into a Bear: How a New Hampshire libertarian utopia was foiled by bears

[-] TheFudd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

LMAO I own the book. I am well aware my party is a clown show, I just want to be able to grow weed, shoot guns, light fireworks, and enjoy the company of sex workers consensually within my poly marriage to my trans wife.

...Okay, I made that last part up, but you never know - I might one day feel the need to marry a trans girl and bang call girls together with her in a poly relationship, dammit, because life is short.

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[-] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago

stunning and brave

also the vast majority of dems did the same thing, we just don't feel the need to tell everyone how different we are because of it

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[-] Pirata@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

to say otherwise is either ignorance, stupidity, or malice

Why not all three?

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

¿Por qué no los tres?

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

good to see teller talked some sense into him

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I am a PJ fan and follower, but I am well aware that he has long been a naive idiot operating from a place of priviledge. He is well insulated from the pitfalls of the ideas he espouses, and it took an UNDENIABLE COLLAPSE into straight up Nazism for him to finally grasp it.

Luv ya Penn, but I ain't giving you any fucking medals

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but the bar is through the floor at this point. I'll take anything I can get.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

And the more people come out and say "oh shit I was wrong" the easier it becomes for others to do the same.

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I considered myself a Libertarian for a few years. I was a disillusioned Republican during the George Bush days and Libertarianism really grew on me. I voted for Gary Johnson twice.
As I became more concerned about climate change, I could not see a viable Libertarian solution to it. Private business is more than happy to keep chugging away with fossil fuels until it's far too late.
For Libertarianism to work, these same private businesses need to do the right thing voluntarily. In Atlas Shrugged, those businessmen and women are doing what is right for their business and it just so happens to be what is right for everyone else, that isn't always the case. All too often, what is right for business goes against what is right for society. Once I realized this, everything unraveled for me.
So anyway, here I am, years later, voting for Democrats because I've got no other option as the GOP became more and more insane since I left.

[-] Thrashy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Libertarianism also was my first stop out of my childhood religious right upbringing. I still tend to see issues from a libertarian framing -- i.e., if it's not hurting anybody why should the government care? -- but most US libertarians seem weirdly fixated on ideas like "why can't I dump 5,000 gallons of hydrofluoric acid into a hole in the ground if the hole is on my own property?" or "why shouldn't I be allowed to enter into a contract with somebody that allows me to hunt them for sport?" or especially "why can't I have sex with a minor if they say it's OK?", where there's really obvious personal and societal harms involved and the only way that you can think otherwise is if you've engaged in some serious motivated reasoning.

Whereas my thinking these days is more like, "who does it hurt if somebody decides to change their outward appearance to match how they feel inside?" and the like -- i.e., the right to personal autonomy and free expression, rather than the right to do whatever I want to others as long as I can somehow coerce them into agreeing to it. I don't have much patience for the anarchist side of left-libertarianism -- in my experience you need robust systems in place to keep bad actors from running amok, and a state without a monopoly on violence is simply ceding that monopoly to whoever wants to take it up for their own ends -- but that starting point of libertarian thought, that people sold be free in their choices until those choices run up against somebody else's freedoms -- is still fundamentally valid.

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