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This might be relevant to those who wish / have to use Windows 11:

This week, Microsoft made it very clear that it wants to block the popular BYPASSNRO workaround, used to skip the internet and Microsoft Account requirement checks during the Windows 11 installation OOBE (initial setup), although thankfully, the script can still be created using Registry edits.

A 7 step guide.

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 3 weeks ago

"Linux is far too complex for the common person to use."

Installing windows without your data being harvested: 7 steps, then editing registry files, uninstalling most of the programs that come with it and get reinstalled with every update, use this command prompt, download this program from a random website you've never heard of before...

Installing Linux without your data being harvested: Click continue.

Linux is so difficult you guys, no one could possibly learn the command line.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Linux is so difficult you guys, no one could possibly learn the command line.

In the vast VAST majority of "normal" use cases, which I'd argue for most people it's :

  • Web browsing
  • watching videos or listening to music
  • editing text documents, spreadsheets, presentations
  • playing video games
  • managing files, e.g. moving them in directories, compressing them, etc
  • keeping the system up to date
  • using a printer

there are reliable ways to use a GUI. So... even though IMHO the command line is absolutely worth learning, one can perfectly use Linux my "just" clicking their way around.

[-] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 20 points 3 weeks ago

I work in IT (almost exclusively Windows) and have been using Linux on my private machines for 8 years now. I barely know anything about the command line. I don't have to be a Linux nerd because it just works with the GUI. (KDE Plasma. Can't speak for other DEs)

[-] mriormro@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

I work in IT

You are not a common user.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

He doesnt use the command line

[-] cute_noker@feddit.dk 4 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe he really sucks at his job

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Method acting approach to IT

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[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I've swapped back and forth between Linux and Windows a half dozen times now, and I can honestly say, both are a bitch to set up from a clean install.

Even with guides and autoloading scripts and whatnot, it's still going to be a few days of pain while you try to figure out what else needs to be installed to use the computer the way you want to use it.

Or that's how it works for me.

I mostly just wish more games were linux native.

[-] mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

can you explain why it takes you that long to set up a new linux install? for me a fresh install with a (really not complex) script to install my required software and copying over config files takes maybe one hour (excluding game downloads of course).

genuinely interested if your setup is that much more complex or where the difference comes from.

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Yeah, it's called wipe the drive and install linux.

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

This guy fucks!

[-] mspencer712@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

That’s right. Even if you have to use a windows app that Linux compatibility layers don’t support, you can banish Windows 11 to a virtual machine.

Oh, weird, even in a virtual machine it wants an account. Anyone know where I can find a bypass method? :-)

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Just put Linux on the VM.

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[-] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Install. Linux. Mint.

My sarcasm has less steps than this workaround. A linux install has less steps than that.

[-] SayYes2Depress@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

This is great. Most other comments only talking about how the solution is to "install Linux". But thats not a viable solution for us Admins setting up PC's for users in a company who barely understand how to use a Windows machine, never mind them ever even hearing of the word Linux.

I would love to install Linux on some users machines that dont use the PC for anything other than Internet Access. But I know they would still have a cow.

Since I saw they were getting rid of Bypassnro ive been panicking, wondering if I'm going to start having to set up a Microsoft account for all my users. I'll test this on Monday and hopefully breath easy. That is until they decide to strip us of this solution as well.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

The just install Linux crowd gets really old. How’s that gonna help on a work machine where I HAVE to use Office to collaborate? Oh right, it’s not! Totally unhelpful.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

100% of my office relies on at least WSL.

All our servers are Linux.

Tons of huge multi-national companies are already using Google Docs which run great in Linux.

It's coming.

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. Lemmy is like. "Use Linux..."

"Oh you still want to use Windows? Why do you still drown puppies and club baby seals?"

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Don't say Linux then. If they already barely know windows, that's an ideal situation, it's going to be similarly confusing either way.

If your concern is that you think they would run into more stability issues when using a linux-based OS vs Windows, that's a reasonable concern. But if we're comparing against a sufficiently stable distro release, I don't think it's well founded.

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[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

LINUX. Jesus it's fucking Linux.

[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

I use linux for everything except for one critical app that does not yet work on linux outside of a virtual machine. But, my computer is not powerful enough to run it in a virtual machine.

There are also no alternatives to it either. So, I have a second computer to use windows for just that, but the day it works on linux is the day I say bye to windows forever.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

There are also no alternatives to it either

Just curious, what is it?

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[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

is dual booting not an option for you?

[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

That’s a pain, I just use the second computer for the one app as I need to be at my desk to use it anyway. My laptop is Linux as I do everything else on it.

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[-] kemsat@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

As a civilization, we need to accept that we can no longer continue to depend on Microsoft Windows to use our computers. Hopefully the transition will go through without Microsoft having the opportunity to try to save themselves.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think we are even close to getting critical mass but there gamers can be converted pretty easily now.

Each time micro-shit does a thing, Linux gets more users.

Prolly will take another decade or two but Linux will hit that critical mass.

Every day more people find out that Linux is part of the freedom tool set.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Lemmy is the 1.45% user base on steam hardware surveys os section. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

By far most people want to use windows. The people that are loud on here about Linux are the only ones that don't so thank you for a solution that's not the constant post saying just install Linux. Its not intuitive for almost all users aside IT people and enthusiasts.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

By far most people want to use windows.

Do they though? I'd bet a significant share do not "want" to, but they are stuck there, convinced there are no viable alternatives.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Windows intuitively making you jump through 7 steps to not have an online account. The reality sadly is most Windows users will just be pushed by Microsoft to use a Microsoft account to access their own PC.

Only 1% of Windows users who are IT people and enthusiasts will find out how to avoid being forced into internet based accounts.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's not even viable for me. I simply cannot use Linux daily because all my jobs require software that doesn't have a Linux version, or it does but it's lacking necessary features, or there's an alternative but I have to burn extra hours making it work with their systems/setup - hours I don't have.

Or I have to use internally configured Remote Desktop profiles over a VPN (not to be confused with RDP), and you can't do that specific use case on Linux because it requires using the company's internal Windows Store with specific Remote Desktop installation.

Or I have to use a specific Outlook instance, locally installed, because somehow they've blocked web access (I still haven't figured out exactly how they set this up).

After a 12 hour day, sure, I can switch back to my dual boot Linux instance and spend 1-2 hours for personal use. But the ratio is still Windows-leaning no matter how you slice it.

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[-] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Bought an old laptop for my daughter's first computer. She's going to just learn typing and some simple stuff. Not able to install Windows with a local account. Fedora KDE it is then.

[-] Commander_Keen@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Let’s just not install windows?

[-] banazir@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, guys, gals and others, Microsoft is making it crystal clear they don't want you to use their OS. It's not your OS, it's theirs. Stop trying mangle it into something it is not. If you need registry edits just to make the OS usable, it's not worth it. It's not for you. Please, please, please look at alternatives that respect you, your intelligence, your privacy and your data. One day Microsoft will push an update that will lock you out of your machine unless you create an account. Jumping through these hoops is just delaying the inevitable. Using an OS is not worth all this effort and stress.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

How to setup your desktop as a desktop: only 7 steps!

[-] Cossty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

People who can't or don't want to use Linux should just use Windows LTSC or IOT. It's honestly the next best thing. I just set it up for my brother. When you open up the start menu on the fresh install and there is nothing there out of the box, it's such a nice feeling. No ads, no games, no onedrive, nothing. The only thing LTSC has is Microsoft Edge but even that one you can uninstall.

Licenses are expensive, but you can easily activate it with mas.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They are never going to totally kill local only accounts... Because corporate networks, automation, embedded systems, air gaped networks.. all exist in abundance in the enterprise and government worlds.

[-] Franklin@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

fun fact Rufus already has all of this automated and even has steps to have the local account of your choice already as part of the image

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Meta : I'd be curious to know the ratio of people downvoting the "Linux!" suggestion who actually do so from Windows.

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