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[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 53 points 2 months ago

Australia wants the submarine contract cancelled as well

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/federal-government-facing-renewed-push-to-scrap-aukus-nuclear-powered-submarine-deal/3cdggmk8o

I think we're all trying to get away from the US at the moment

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

As we should. The US empire is collapsing, and even when they weren't collapsing, they don't really see any of us as "allies", we're either useful to them, or not. They've never done "loyalty".

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

We should be thanking Trump. He's so undisciplined, uncouth, uneducated that he talks like an 8th grade dropout mafia wannabe. However, that is much more representative of average America than the usual Presidents. He says all the quiet parts out loud. The US has been the biggest bully in the world since the end of WWII and uses every allied nation to prop up and enrich their own. For the past decades they have been masking it through a veil of diplomacy. But not Trump. He tells it as it is. Problem for the USA is that he thinks that is good and that America is a great nation that all others worship. Maybe under his government, the rest of the world will be freed from the US.

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[-] radiohead37@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

France couldn’t be happier.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

They'll add a 25% "Welcome back, assholes" fee to the new contract

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just when the majority of wealthy western countries have realized the need to vastly increase defence spending, the world's largest arms exporter has cock blocked themselves. Very Sad.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 months ago

Only 6? You'd think that would be an easy knee-jerk answer. I don't believe for a second many of the remaining 4 had a strong opinion on the necessity of stealth for survivability in a modern combat environment.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

I'd guess 2-3 of the 4 are sunk cost fallacy, and rest are Trumpers

[-] Grabthar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Or they know the state of the current airframes, and know we've already waffled on this to the point that any further changes are going to cause a delay that would result in a loss in operational capability, potentially for years. As much as I'd like to see us drop the F-35 on general principal, there is no magical fighter jet dealership where we can go pick something else up in any reasonable timeframe. We could accept the first batch and try cancelling the rest, to be replaced at some future date with something else, but for a small airforce like the RCAF, that presents operational challenges as well. I'd say renegotiate the deal. Get more jobs and a skilled workforce out of it. Lockheed is already offering, given the global drop in demand for their products. But for future purchases, we're either going to have to make our own or buy European.

[-] sonori@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

It’s possible some of them also remember the decades long process of entering the multinational program, spending billions, pulling out because it was to expensive, then spending billions more re-entering when the Canadian air force could not find any aircraft near as capable as the F35 and even those less capable aircraft coat significantly more than the F35.

The end result of this is that Canada has so far spent enough to upgrade nearly the entire military, but not actually gotten anything at all out of it.

Now personally I lean towards joining the Japanese 6th gen project (they’ve also been burned by the Americans) and just accepting that Canada won’t have a combat effective military for another 15 years or so, but I can understand why many Canadians might not want to accept a temporarily (or permanently if it commits to 5th gen) weaker and more expensive RCAF just to spite Putin’s bitch in D.C.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, if there's some payoff coming or starting over is actually just as expensive, sometimes a sunk cost is worth considering.

Why not the Gripen?

[-] sonori@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I believe the main reasons Gripen was rejected by the 2022 report was lack of any Stealth capability, rarer among allies, and higher cost. Practically, while the Gripen is a pretty good 4th gen aircraft, non-stealth aircraft really arn’t capible of combating any airforce with stealth aircraft, and so Canada would be pretty much limited to only fighting Russia or smaller regional powers, and no small part of Canada’s NATO focus is on deterrence in Asia, where Gripen can’t really do much.

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[-] radiohead37@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

America first is America alone.

[-] Tm12@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

Right to repair should be our main concern. If we can’t repair our own shit, we won’t get very far.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Second place in the competition for this purchase was the SAAB Gripen which involved building/assembling in Canada. A much better return on investment, and provides some domestic capability.

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The US navy could destroy an airforce 10x our size and there is no way to change that in the short term, especially by giving the US money. We should not be investing in conventional warfare.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

There's a strong argument for this. Especially if we don't get a new alliance going with European governments soon.

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[-] match@pawb.social 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah! those warp lanes are damaging the Hekaras Corridor! traffic needs to be kept below warp 5 or we risk a catastrophic subspace rift

[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Start producing our own jets. A modern Avro arrow.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago
[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What's that? I'm a Canadian living in Europe. Edit: it's a Swedish plane made by Saab (great cars rip). I'd still prefer if Canada made its own jets.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

No point reinventing the wheel, and we probably don't have time anyways. With Gripens, it's a proven design, and we could start production as soon as we can get a factory stood up

[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

My comment was more about starting new Canadian industries. I agree that it makes sense to buy Gripens now though.

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[-] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Trump said just the other day that the US should remove some features from the jets they sell to other countries, because we might be at war with them someday.

[-] ninthant@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Who are the other 4, I mean seriously?

They are openly bragging about how they will deliver crippled planes in case they decide to attack them later.

This should be 100% of Canadians. I can only hope a large chunk of the 38% are just completely ignorant about current events

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[-] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

1 in one of me hate the different ways to write a number in this title

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