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EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number and they say piracy is going to receive a huge blow. Obviously I have no intention of stopping but now I'll have to start using a VPN, if I want to continue my way. However, I do not trust VPNs a lot and I do not like the idea of paying for them (I could just pay for the movie in the first place)

I looked into using Tor network to torrent but it seems like it'd be a hindrance to the network itself, which is going to be a huge inconvenience for other users. Additionally I know that even if I found a way to throttle my bandwidth to remove this problem, Tor isn't exactly made for this sort of thing anyways.

Now, obviously it doesn't have to be torrenting, but I would gladly hear any suggestions on how to avoid paying and getting movies and shows without being caught doing it. Truthfully I was only streaming from websites for many years, so I do not know a lot about torrenting vs direct downloading either. Thanks in advance for any responses.

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[-] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Yo, 2 things:

  1. I too heard that about Greece, but I couldnt find any article about it, only stuff I heard from others which they probably read them on FB. Do you have any (reputable) article coverthing this? I just considered those roumors it as fearmongering and moved on.

  2. Yo, since I haven't seen you around, just to know, we have a sonewhat active greek community at https://fedia.io/m/Greece

[-] Banana_man@reddthat.com 1 points 1 minute ago

Hey, thanks for the heads up on the Greek community, I'll be giving that a visit for sure. Also yes, I can find articles that are trustworthy but they are all in Greek, sadly xD. I might look again sometime though, will let you know!

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

It's a lifestyle, not a way to save money. I pay for piracy related tech more than a netflix subscription costs.

[-] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

This. I don't do much but I have spent $1,200 on HDDs alone. Then there's the true saviors of the internet with hundreds of TB, even PB of backed up, virus-free content

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I don’t do much but I have spent $1,200 on HDDs alone.

this might interest you when its ready in a couple months. this is exactly the issue its working toward resolving.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 95 points 1 day ago

EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number

no they're not.

the EU ruled that IP addresses are personally identifiable information (PII) for the purposes of GDPR compliance EIGHT YEARS AGO. this means that internet services cannot store your IP address without your consent and explicitly telling you why they need it, they have to delete it when they're done with it, and if they are to be stored in any way for aggregate data then it needs to be anonymised so that it can no longer be associated with you.

any change to associate IPs with you would break the GDPR.

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[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago

Try Tailscale.

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago

EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number and they say piracy is going to receive a huge blow.

Sounds like an April Fools joke.

[-] Tm12@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately needing a VPN is not.

[-] black0ut@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

I torrent without VPN in the EU. I've been doing so for years. Still no letters as of writing this comment.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It massively depends on the country - it's probably fine in Southern and Eastern Europe but not for example in Germany were if I'm not mistaken copyright violation is even part of Criminal Law rather than Civil Law as in pretty much the rest of the World.

Personally ever since I lived in the UK - which has the most insane levels of civil society surveillance in Europe, including of Internet usage - I got into the habit of doing pretty much everything behind a VPN, which also helps with peace of mind for the whole torreting thing no matter which country I'm living in at the moment, plus I pay 5 euros a month for the VPN which is less than a single streaming service, so in a way it pays itself (it's funny how piracy compensates for the costs of protecting myself from dragnet surveillance).

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[-] Nuxleio@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

You need to pay for a VPN. It's like a condom for the internet. Frankly, stop trying to avoid something that you should already be using.

Mullvad is a good start. Go purchase it.

[-] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago

Didn't mullvad stop port forwarding? That ain't great for seeding.

[-] Ilandar@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Yes, Proton VPN is a better option if you require that feature.

[-] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago
[-] Ilandar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I believe Private Internet Access also offers this feature if people need a cheaper alternative, although it comes with tradeoffs regarding trust and ethics.

[-] Paula_Tejando@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 day ago

What tradeoffs? I can confirm PIA works fine with torrenting.

[-] Ilandar@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

As the other person said, the owners of PIA also own several other VPNs and their history prior to this was pretty bad. One of the biggest selling points for PIA, the "no logging tested in court" claim, also occured before these new owners took over so it's questionable whether that is as believable today. A big part of trust in privacy-related software comes from financial incentives and motivations driven by the business model, and the parent company does not have a good track record in terms of prioritising security and privacy above financial gain.

[-] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The parent company is Israeli-owned (and by an especially genocidal Israeli, and that's saying something), they have had several data loss/breach/sales controversies, injected malware through customers' browsers on purpose, and much more. Look up Kape Technologies.

[-] Paula_Tejando@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 18 hours ago
[-] rehydrate@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Proton only allows port forwarding on their paid tiers, and you still need to enable it and select a server that allows port forwarding.

I would simply use something a little less fishy and cheaper AirVpn you can pair over there also with montero and some other crypto

[-] Ilandar@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The majority of their servers support port forwarding. "Only available on paid tiers" is a completely meaningless crticism, because a) you wouldn't use a free VPN for torrenting unless you were an absolute moron and b) very few VPNs support torrenting in the first place because it requires so many resources. If you want a good VPN with port forwarding, you need to pay for it. Nothing about this makes Proton VPN "fishy".

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You can keep on seeding after downloading and your torrenting program will still manage to upload to any member of the swarm for that torrent that it connected to (even if only to check their status) during the download phase.

This should be enough to get you consistently above a 1:1 upload to download ratio for any popular public torrents, though for those with very few leechers you might never get there.

The lack of port forwarding is only a problem for remote machines your program has not connected to during the current session for a torrent (i.e. not yet seen machines that try to connect to your client), which means you can't seed at all in a purely for seeding session or upload to machines that joined the swarm after your download was done in a mixed session.

If your pattern of usage is that of mainly a downloader of public torrents who tries to give back to the communy at least as much as they took and whose not mainly into obscure stuff, it works fine.

[-] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

You are not exactly right, but going in the right direction. Not having a forwarded port means you aren't 'connectable' by peers as your firewall will block incoming traffic. What this means is that only 'connectable' peers will be able to connect to you (your client can reach out to them as their port is forwarded). You are however invisible to peers that also aren't 'connectable'. You might also experience some degradation in time to connect as people can't reach out to you.

To sum it up:

  • Not connectable =X= not connectable (impossible)
  • Not connectable =>= connectable (degraded time to connect when seeding)
  • Connectable === connectable (perfect)
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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 18 points 1 day ago

Do you have some source for this IP thing in the EU? I wasn't aware of any new privacy laws.

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[-] 0x0@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I use Tor to get magnet links and feed them to my clearnet torrenting client, no issues so far and the ISP would have to breach my privacy to provide my IP.

Seedboxes go from €2 to €100+ a month depending on how much you will torrent and how much space you need on the box alongside other factors. My personal choices are Gigarapid and Ultra but there are others

[-] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number.

If that's true, then even VPNs won't help. Not sure how they will implement such a thing, but it's obviously to protect the children !

There's also the I2P network, which is similar to TOR but with torrenting in mind and other nice tools and utilities ! However, it's slower, has less traffic/seeder and don't even bother to try and find some older movies/music or hidden gems.

It's getting better and some applications, like qbittorrent, are adding the i2p network. In the near future, when they have protected the children, I2P will be the place to be for a free and open Internet. However, you will probably be tagged as criminal...

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[-] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Free vpns sell your data. It’s why they’re free. Processor cycles and bandwidth cost money so if you want someone to use their processor cycles and their bandwidth to encrypt and route your traffic through their servers without clandestinely peeking, and using lawyers and advanced security techniques to ward off the police, you gotta pay them.

In order to seed torrents you need to have a port on your vpn endpoint that is accessible to the internet and gets passed to the computer running your BitTorrent client. This is called port forwarding. There are only so many ports, so a vpn provider that offers port forwarding will probably charge more and you might not be able to get certified hood classics like :42069 because someone is already using it.

I use airvpn for torrents but depending on your European country you might not be able to. There are other port forwarding vpns. The cost is cheap, most come out to less than $5 a month.

Most let you run multiple devices at the same time so you might have your computer at home torrenting through the vpn while you’re away at work browsing porno on the toilet connected to the vpn which lets you get past the work content blockers.

So… just pay for a port forwarding vpn.

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