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[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 63 points 2 weeks ago

Welfare capitalism was better than the other ones.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Because it's half way to socialism?

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's the most left of the right-wing scope that is pro-capitalism, but doesn't address the underlying contradiction and will inevitably backslide to the right. It'll take longer, but will eventually side with fascism as capitalism historically does

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

It is already socialism by definition. It just isn't an eastern dictatorship.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

We're now trying pump and dump capitalism

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 weeks ago

Social welfare capitalism is a good mix but over time the social aspect got burried

[-] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Social welfare capitalism is good in theory. But social welfare is in direct opposition to capitalism, and there is no way to actually contain the corrupting power of capitalism. The social aspect will always get buried.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

It wont get burried if its enshrined and untouchable to make it worse

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

As current events have proven nothing is untouchable even if enshrined

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago

But 2 large economies tried to impliment communism... while engaged in a cold war against much more entrenched ideologies, while having corrupt leaders and they didn't do it well.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

There's also been quite a few smaller socialist and anarchist societies that have existed under similar external influences. Almost like capitalism is tied up with ideological warmongering or something.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like "socialism and anarchsim always fail or lose to capitalists" isn't the flex you think it is.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

The EZLN is still going. So is Rojava.

But 2 large economies tried to impliment communism… while engaged in a cold war against much more entrenched ideologies, while having corrupt leaders and they didn’t do it well.

And while - which I, personally, think is the biggest reason - starting from pre-capitalist economies, thus materially having to do what capitalism did (rapid industrialisation, disenfranchisement of peasantry, accumulation of capital), and ultimately following what Marxism would have guessed: Their ideology forming around their material reality of having to accumulate capital from labour while trading on the world market. So it basically became its own kind of welfare state/social democratic capitalism, with a bit of "but communism will arrive eventually, we promise!"

Once that material dynamic is entrenched, no amount of ideological purity can simply correct it from the top, you can't change material society by implementing an ideal onto a reality. It has to develop materially and dialectically, through the process of the old system failing (in unbearable ways), necessitating revolutionary changes.

[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ones doing quite well, hence why countries are abandoning the US as a trade partner and going for it instead. Dengism is the solution to the failed ideal that you can take an agrarian preindustrial society straight to communism. And given all essential sectors are worker owned, it seems to be working.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

What’s that Churchill said about being the worst thing except for everything else that’s been tried?

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Churchill said that about democracy, interesting you interchange the two.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

Something that's incorrect

[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Churchill was a genocidal war criminal on par with Hitler, he's not someone one should ever quote: unless you're just okay with Indians not being people.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

Genocide isn't an ad hominem attack. Hitler wishes he got Churchill's numbers.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

The ultimate genocider could claim "1 + 1 = 2": that doesn't make it false. Who they are is irrelevant to their argument, and that's a classic ad hominem fallacy. Learn to respect logic.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Don't look at what came before mercantile capitalism.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just look at life expectancies. Countries with social capitalism do the best and not by a little. By arguing everyone is the same, it's really supporting the worst.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Let's go gambling!

this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2025
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