How about Nuremberg style trials for the Trump administration?
As an American, I support both.
as Russian assets, they would qualify
Ya know....
When it's comes out in the wash and these fuckers have cuffs on in the mean time, their Russian ties will put them in prison alone. Wild thought, hope it happens.
Agreed, do Trump next! Although, we should do Russia first, as I think what will turn up during that investigation is going to be... very relevant.
Now this is the galaxy brain response right here 😉
Por que los dos?
It's more likely he'll get assassinated even though it won't save democracy in the US.
Entire gov top to bottom. We've needed to clean house and obviously we the people's voice isn't being heard. I'm all for a 3rd part to intervene.
Yep, we clearly can't get the job done ourselves. It's time for the grown-ups to intervene.
How about for the American government in general?
I’m guessing Trump would be against that as well.
100%!!!
The tin-foil hat person inside me is screaming that Putin directed Trump to destroy the economy and all our alliances. If he manages to fire Powell, I think he's accomplished his goals in less than 100 days.
It looks so obvious that this is what is happening it's crazy.
It’s completely insane that so many people are in denial about this. It’s clear as fucking day that that’s what’s happening right now.
I just want to see who profits most off any rebound. Follow the money because that is all they value. Number must go up.
"It's not paranoia, if they really are out to get you."
Why, what have you heard?
Its not tin-foil hat, it's Putin. Its always Putin, using Skum and HitlerPig as his muscle.
When will people truly internalize that the two biggest foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history? None of them have any loyalty or patriotism toward America, and only see us as a big, rich, fat, lazy target to be ruthlessly exploited and looted, and it's happening in real time before our eyes.
All they care about is money, and either Putin is paying them directly out of the Russian Treasury (HitlerPig would rape and murder his own mother for far less than a billion bucks, and Putin could order a lot more than that), or they've cut a deal to split the booty like the pirates they are.
How about israel?
The amount if killing and bomb dropped on gaza is more than those of russia ukraine like three of four time or something like that. But they cant say a single word of condemnation !
Israel kills more civilians in Gaza in two ~~a~~ days than Russia kills in Ukraine in a month.
(Edit: checked the numbers and in 3 years Russia had killed 12,605 civilians whilst the last reliable numbers we had in Gaza - before the hospitals were destroyed - for the first 6 months in Gaza were 42,000, so the rate of civilians murdered per day by Israel is about 20x higher, so not quite "more in a day than in a month", hence my edit)
Russias killed far more than 12k, its well recorded there are mass graves in places such as Mariupol with a unknown number of bodies. The UN itself has specifically verified at least 30k and given the numbers of missing persons its likely to be in the hundreds of thousands.
Stop regurgitating Russian propaganda numbers.
Also, being a genocide in both cases, the ratio to original population size would be relevant.
Who gives a shit if Trump is in opposition when they (we, I’m American) are purposely fucking up global trade?
FUCK 47, HE BELONGS AT THOSE TRIALS TOO, IN SHACKLES, AND WITH A GUY WITH A NOOSE MEAN MUGGING HIM
"Despite?" Should be "in light of"
You need one of those even more for Israel, but the British political elites are active and willing accomplices in that specific Genocide.
One rule for some, another for others...
Hypocrisy is very much the core trait of the British upper classes.
Whataboutism
Racist child murder supporting hypocrisy.
Nah, last I checked I thought Russians kidnapping of Ukrainian children was abhorrent which is the subject matter of this post. The constant Palestine supporter "but what about xyz" is nonsensical, all genocides are disgusting and the fact action is being taken even on just one of them is nothing but good news. Dont let perfect be the enemy of good.
Do you believe that your messaging helps the people of Palestine? is this the best way you can think of to gather international support for a cause that is dear to you?
I am positive. Your message is not accomplishing the goals that you want. Unless you wanted to further isolate the Palestinian people from the care of the rest of the world, maybe tone down the rhetoric a bit. It’s coming off quite psychotic like someone who would support kidnapping and torturing and raping and you know all the things that they do in Palestine to LGBT people
I believe that a real, strong and fair International Rule Of Law would help Palestine and that the two-weights-two-measures kind of Propaganda used of performative "International Rule Of Law" detracts from it Globally being real, strong and fair.
I don't think a performative demand for "Justice except if the perps are our mates" from the most hypocrite country leadership around will advance the cause of International Rule Of Law even when it comes to the Russian invasion of Ukraine because it just reinforces the impression outside the West that the "Justice" of the West isn't really Just or even honest - it's a great way to (as is it's only real objective) to get kudos from a certain crowd that abhors what Russia is doing whilst not having a tendency to look beyond the superficial in a skeptical way for even the words one agrees with, but comes with the secondary side effect that people in all those nations out there which are not aligned in this specific subject just become more suspicious of Western words and motivations and hence less likely to cooperate.
Such performative statements for local political gains neither advances the cause of Global Humanitarianism nor the cause of International Rule of Law, probably the opposite.
Such idea would much better be voiced by a different country (say, Spain), not one practicing the very opposite of what it preaches and with quite a long tradition of being double-faced.
See, now that was really well spoken. I can't argue with any of that. You're absolutely right. This a compelling arguement I can get behind. That is a much better way to point out the hypocrisy, and voice your frustration. This makes me want to support palestine. The former makes me want to support Isreal. I really hope that the pro-palestine crowd can learn to temper their anger and strengthen their arguments like you just did. Well done. This is one of those internet interactions that left me with a smile.
Thank you.
I confess I had a extra angry knee-jerk reaction since I lived over a decade in the UK and during that time the whole relentless abused of this kind of forked-tongue hypocrisy in local politics really climbed to be one of the things I most detest - it's a sneaky slimy way of using discourse for personal gain that often indirectly harms those one loudly claims to be defending: a form of sociopathy but not of the violent kind.
Oh I know, we live in a world full of Nazi double-speak. I want to verbally headbutt people too. Not enough time in the day to sort through everyones words and intentions, so it's easy to make quick judgements. I've been pro-palestine and vocal about the conflict for 20 years. I can relate to all the kids who are passionate about it now, because it reminds me of me 20 years ago. I can also see the cause being high-jacked by bad actors. You are clearly not one, but you have to set a good example for the younger kids. Having followed the changing dialogues for over 20 years between all the involved nations, there are good ways to talk about this and bad ways. If we want change we need to change the messaging and focus the energy on meaningful realistic changes.
I don't know if I can ever forgive the "genocide Joe" crowd who seem to be okay with genocide if trump does it for a hotel.
Do Israel, USA & Germany next
shipping people to a concentration camp in el salvador without any due process sounds like a violation of many laws to me.
You know what's freaking terrifying?
I use Nextdoor on occasion (a social media app specifically for localized neighborhoods), because it helps with safety or lost pets or something occasionally...
...but lately there's been some tesla vandalism going on, and there's SO MANY comments like "Give them 20 years" and "Send them straight to El Salvador." and "Domestic terrorism!"
I used to resent isolation and lack of community...but now I really don't wanna meet my neighbors anymore...
I want to believe a quieter majority of us aren't cool with shirking due process and shipping U.S citizens to foreign prison camps, if that wasn't bad enough, for property damage of all justifications...but geeze.
I'm not ok with shipping anyone to foreign prison camps. There's zero reason why we should ever do that, with exception of a valid extradition request from another country.
Oh 110% agreed. Big time.
I can even understand if it were a bit of debate, for the very worst offenses or something. (Not that I'd agree, but I can understand people debating it.)
I think I was more aghast at how people were frivolously suggesting gulag camps without the slightest moral ponderance over....
(Flips pages)
....Keying off some car paint...
Suburbanites can be a special kind of evil.
Can we add Israel?
This is just propaganda - how objective will this tribunal be when you know what kind of "wars of aggression" the UK, Israel or the US have done and are still doing?
And no this is not whataboutism - it's about truthfulness and moral standing. Invasion if Iraq and Afghanistan, decades of foreign policies, occupation and oppression of Palestinians, meddling and regime change of countries. If it's only a crime of aggression if the other side does it, then it's simply a farce or a show trial that will not prevent future crimes of aggression.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions. And only then responsible for holding others responsible.
I'm not sure what your point is frankly.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions.
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for "being the bad guys"?
Do you see any country as having the "required moral standing" to judge others?
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for “being the bad guys”?
I think people and journalists should be educated and informed so they can see it for the theater it is. If the people of a democracy can't see the evil their own countries have been doing or do not have the means to change anything, then those leaders pointing the fingers at others for the same shit becomes nothing but a distraction.
What a hexbear style of argumentation. Nice alt LOL. You're telling me Russia and China should be allowed to prosecute anyone?
I think you're just reading things I didn't say bud.
Yeah, okay. Totally not gonna be surprised when I see you get posted to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
EDIT: Also that's a curious reaction to getting called out. All you had to say was "I'm not a tankie, I'm sorry for using their rhetoric" and this whole thing would've been cleared up.
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