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submitted 2 weeks ago by Sunny@slrpnk.net to c/linux@lemmy.world

Stumbled across this quick post recently and thought it was a really good tale and worth sharing.


A couple of weeks ago, I saw a tweet asking: "If Linux is so good, why aren't more people using it?" And it's a fair question! It intuitively rings true until you give it a moment's consideration. Linux is even free, so what's stopping mass adoption, if it's actually better? My response:

  • If exercising is so healthy, why don't more people do it?
  • If reading is so educational, why don't more people do it?
  • If junk food is so bad for you, why do so many people eat it?

The world is full of free invitations to self-improvement that are ignored by most people most of the time. Putting it crudely, it's easier to be fat and ignorant in a world of cheap, empty calories than it is to be fit and informed. It's hard to resist the temptation of minimal effort.

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Now I totally understand why most computer users aren't interested in an intellectual workout when all they want to do is browse the web or use an app. They're not looking to become a black belt in computing fundamentals.

But programmers are different. Or ought to be different. They're like firefighters. Fitness isn't the purpose of firefighting, but a prerequisite. You're a better firefighter when you have the stamina and strength to carry people out of a burning building on your shoulders than if you do not. So most firefighters work to be fit in order to serve that mission.

That's why I'd love to see more developers take another look at Linux. Such that they may develop better proficiency in the basic katas of the internet. Such that they aren't scared to connect a computer to the internet without the cover of a cloud.

Besides, if you're able to figure out how to setup a modern build pipeline for JavaScript or even correctly configure IAM for AWS, you already have all the stamina you need for the Linux journey. Think about giving it another try. Not because it is easy, but because it is worth it.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I started using Linux as a liberal arts major in the late '90s. Both my grandparents (RIP) and my parents (partial RIP) kept having issues with Windows on their computers. I was constantly being called to help them with crap. 20+ years ago I asked if I could try something and they didn't care, as long as it worked. Debian and XFCE. Configured their email, hooked up the printer. Suddenly the service issues went from several times a month to once every 5+ years. And 90% of those issues just was clearing out the printer queue. I have never once understood the LiNuX iS OnlY FoR suPer TeCH NeRDS bullshit.

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[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

The reason is that Linux usually doesn't come preinstalled. I'm pretty sure at least 50% of the users wouldn't even notice they have Mint Cinnamon instead of Windows on their Laptops.

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'd crank that up to like 80% Linux users somehow always seem to overestimate how tech savvy most people are.

I'd say 50% of users can't tell you what an operating system is. maybe more. and ya'll expect those people to be able to CHOOSE a Linux distro and actually install it. no way. that's way way too much to ask of the average end user.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Jorge Castro of Universal Blue (Bazzite, Bluefin, Aurora) likes to say that normal people don't install operating systems. And he's totally right.

[-] monogram@feddit.nl 2 points 2 weeks ago

I’m 💯 sure at least 99% of steamdecks run the ootb steam Linux

[-] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

I know a guy running windows on a steam deck. Absolutely mad

[-] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

What a pervert.

That's like buying a Ferrari and dropping in a Lada engine.

[-] archonet@lemy.lol 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

that is

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTANG

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[-] Drewmeister@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't use Linux. I'm here from /all. I last attempted Linux probably around 2006 or so. The biggest thing I remember was driver support being awful. I guess it's a lot better now?

My biggest hurdle to making the switch is that it takes effort. It's not because I'm lazy; it's because I don't see any need to put in effort. Because I already have an OS, and it works fine. I know that to some, particularly in this community, there are a lot of things about Windows to complain about, but the vast majority of users can't come up with a list of things that bothers them about their daily OS. If my computer already had Linux on it, I'd probably feel exactly the same way.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I was a Windows user for around 30 years and loved it. But I got so frustrated with Windows that I switched. My computer didn't feel like I was the one in control of it anymore, and I hated that.

I'm very happy on Linux, now.

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[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Let them eat ads

[-] DimFisher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

What issues are you all talking about? I m a Linux user for eleven years now, the only issues you may have with them are only in the beginning when everything is not installed or sometimes not everything is perfectly installed and set up, once you finish with that you may get bored by how extremely stable they are, you just do your work and that's it, and they stay like that forever, the only reason people are using windows is because they are pre installed, that's the only truth.

[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair, i installed linux on an old laptop and i just cannoy get the wifi to be reliable. I found myself reading about the minutia of intel wifi drivers and how wifi works in detail just to try tonsolve this issue.

I outright gave up on getting a printer to work.

This is an unrealistic experience for most people who just need a tool that works. Life is too short.

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[-] highball@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Worst take ever. Outside of Desktop, Windows gets dominated by Linux. Even on Azure, Linux is the number one OS over MS's Windows Server. Windows is free on IoT and still Linux dominates. So what makes Desktop different? 30 years of Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy. All the OEMs have to invest into Windows because they have to take the volume licensing deal from Microsoft or be priced out. This ensures Windows engineering efforts for drivers, software, and testing. Because the machines were Windows, 3rd party hardware and software had to invest into Windows as well. When there is no vendor lock-in, Linux receives the money for engineering efforts and dominates Windows. Nobody complains about having Linux on their Smart TV. Right, because the money for engineering efforts are not forced to be put toward Windows. How many people are switching their Steam Deck to Windows 80%? 50%? 10%? 1%,? more like ~0.1% switch. The money is there to make a great experience and so there is almost no reason to switch. It's only the tech nerds that are installing OSes. Average people don't even know what Windows or Linux is. When Microsoft loses it's lock-in strategy, Linux will take over. Nobody is choosing Windows for Desktop. It's just what comes on the machine at the store.

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I worry that for 3rd parties to put forth any effort, there needs to be incentives... which would be in the form of demand... which isn't there yet because they don't put any effort into it.

MS is playing a dangerous game (for them). If they turn the screws on users hard enough then Linux might gain enough market share for there to be real demand. I'm trying to get people to switch but the lack of third party support makes it a minefield sometimes.

[-] highball@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

for 3rd parties to put forth any effort, there needs to be incentives… which would be in the form of demand

I mean this is it. That's why Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy has kept Windows dominant on Desktop. It guarantees money will be spent on Windows first and foremost for all these OEMs. Which guarantees 3rd party support.

If they turn the screws on users hard enough then Linux might gain enough market share for there to be real demand

Regular users wont switch to Linux until the machine comes preinstalled with Linux. Microsoft can screw over their customers and the average user will just have to take it. The average users just doesn't know any better. Ultimately, average users need to see a machine they want to buy in a brick and mortar store. As long as Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy is in affect, the average user will never see a Linux machine, from your typical OEM, even to unknowingly consider. But, if Valve releases a Steam Console, they could put that machine in a brick and mortar store. Lots of regular average users would buy it for the gaming, not realizing it's Linux. Eventually they would learn they could use the desktop mode in a pinch (same as what happened with the Steam Deck). When they realize the desktop mode works just as well as their PC, likely, they will stop buying a PC altogether. It will be like when PlayStation sold their PS2. Lots of people just bought a PS2 because it came with a DVD player. DVD player sales declined rapidly. If something similar happens with a Steam Console, Linux would have a market share 3rd party developers could not ignore. I don't know if that would break Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy, but I think 10M - 20M Steam Consoles sold every year would definitely get the attention of 3rd party hardware vendors and software vendors for at least the gaming market. And all that would be supported on desktop Linux too; making it even easier for the tech nerds to switch. Then you are just waiting on the network affect to take off.

We will have to see, what unfolds in the next couple years.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

because most people use what comes installed and apple and microsoft dominate that.

then again, considering apple is based on unix you could argue that anyone with apple does use a version of it

[-] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is the obvious right answer. If computers shipped with Linux mint most consumers wouldn't notice the difference.

[-] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well android uses Linux I found out.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I think the biggest hurdle for Linux is the tech crowd giving it a reputation for being difficult

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

But most people do use Linux; Android is the most common OS, isn’t it?

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Also guess what the Internet has always run on? *Nix.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

And Linux isn’t minimal effort. It’s an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

I don't think this is true unless you're digging in. For the average person doing everyday things, using a Linux Mint installation isn't going to be any more complicated than using Windows. Just different, with some new patterns to learn. I don't know about MacOS since I've never felt moved to pay the entry fee to use it.

[-] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

The average person has never installed an operating system in their entire life.

Just the simple act of installing Mint is a lot more effort than the average user has ever put into computing.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Man, I wish the Windows-only shop I support as a sysadmin "just worked." I spend the majority of my time troubleshooting random Windows issues.

Driver issues, firmware issues, Teams breaking, Outlook breaking, SharePoint and OneDrive sync issues, Edge freezing/crashing, UI scaling issues, routine updates failing, random connectivity issues, random audio issues, printer issues...

I won't lie, my Linux computers have random issues too, but way less often than the Windows machines I have to support every day. And when I encounter the Linux issues, I actually can fix them in a way that is permanent almost always.

Windows on the other hand, I typically fix and then the same problem starts happening again a few months later after an update, or the only "fix" that works is restarting the computer several times in a row.

To be fair to the Windows defenders, Windows 11 has easily been the worst for this in my experience. Windows 10 was more stable, and Windows 7 was even better. XP had lots of random issues, but back then you could still get under the hood pretty easily and make Windows do what you wanted.

Every personal device I have runs Linux and has for several years. I removed Windows completely from my life thank God, and I can't imagine going back. I honestly would be more likely to stop using computers altogether before I went back to the horror show that is Windows/Microsoft.

[-] commander@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Path of least resistance is at the electronics store and general support from marketed software. So lack of Linux hardware in stores and lack of well marketed software

20 years ago Apple at least had store presence and had their own software as major draws, Final Cut Pro, GarageBand people loved, and really as a brand MacBook's are/were fashionable

Linux is widespread in software development and data science. It's mainstream draw is still developing. Could be games. It could maybe someday be seen as the choice for content creators if the selection of media creation/editing continues to improve and have their Blender/Krita rise. Talking like Kdenlive, Ardour, GIMP, etc

Development led me directly to installing Linux because Windows is bad for dev...

I fell into the warm embrace of KDE and GNOME environments in 2022 and have never looked back.

[-] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

See...

The RTFM condescending, contemptuous attitude doesn't help.

A lot of us are not teens, or 20 somethings, and have other responsibilities and duties.

We just want the shit to "Just Work." We don't want to research why the last version upgrade broke the graphics driver, or why our printer doesn't work anymore, or any of that stuff.

Granted, the distros that try to fix this have advanced light years over the last actual 20 years, but it's still not good enough.

And yes, I have my "Compiled From Scratch Arch" membership card. Never again.

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