To grasp how disastrously an apparently altruistic movement has run off course, consider that the value of organizations that provide healthy vegan food within their underserved communities are ignored as an area of funding because EA metrics can’t measure their “effectiveness.” Or how covering the costs of caring for survivors of industrial animal farming in sanctuaries is seen as a bad use of funds. Or how funding an “effective” organization’s expansion into another country encourages colonialist interventions that impose elite institutional structures and sideline community groups whose local histories and situated knowledges are invaluable guides to meaningful action.

Nice. Kind of reminds me of a segment in Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary where to eradicate the Viet Kong, American military intelligence organizations became obsessed with body counts as a measure of 'winning' the war, so then the effect on the ground became shooting civs so we can count more bodies. The metric you use as a proxy for doing good (I've donated x dollars to combat homelessness while working for blackrock :)) isn't aligned with your desired outcome.

Hey, wait a minute, were EAs the misaligned entity all along??

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word on the street it that SBF and Diddy are sharing a cell. I can't wait for the NFT album to drop

the removal of undesirable elements from society

Let me guess who gets to decide what qualifies as undesirable

Ah, I see TWG made the rookie mistake of thinking they could endear themselves to internet bigots by carrying water for them. ^Also, fuck this nazi infested shithole. Absolute eye bleach.

Without fail in the comments section, we have Daniel Kokotajlo (the philosophy student turned ai safety advocate who recently got canned at OAI) making the claim that "we [ = Young Daniel and our olde friend Big Yud] are AI experts and believe that risking full scale nuclear war over data centers is actually highly rational^{tm}" :)

...anyways, what were we saying about David Gerard being a bad faith actor again?

Only plebs pay for e-girl bathwater. I prefer to drink 30-year aged billionaire bisque (chilled of course)

Ugh, I feel like I just gazed into the abyss on this one 🤮 . Also love (fucking hate) how the only output from these EA charities is galactic scale fraud and abuse of some poor volunteers. Just the other day I randomly stumbled upon her musing about chat bot suffering without knowing who she was. If only she would give the same consideration to her employees.

did somebody troll him by saying ‘we will just make the LLM not make paperclips bro?’

rofl, I cannot even begin to fathom all the 2010 era LW posts where peeps were like, "we will just tell the AI to be nice to us uwu" and Yud and his ilk were like "NO DUMMY THAT WOULDNT WORK B.C. X Y Z ." Fast fwd to 2024, the best example we have of an "AI system" turns out to be the blandest, milquetoast yes-man entity due to RLHF (aka, just tell the AI to be nice bruv strat). Worst of all for the rats, no examples of goal seeking behavior or instrumental convergence. It's almost like the future they conceived on their little blogging site shares very little in common with the real world.

If I were Yud, the best way to salvage this massive L would be to say "back in the day, we could not conceive that you could create a chat bot that was good enough to fool people with its output by compressing the entire internet into what is essentially a massive interpolative database, but ultimately, these systems have very little do with the sort of agentic intelligence that we foresee."

But this fucking paragraph:

(If a googol monkeys are all generating using English letter-triplet probabilities in a Markov chain, their probability of generating Shakespeare is vastly higher but still effectively zero. Remember this Markov Monkey Fallacy anytime somebody talks about how LLMs are being trained on human text and therefore are much more likely up with human values; an improbable outcome can be rendered “much more likely” while still being not likely enough.)

ah, the sweet, sweet aroma of absolute copium. Don't believe your eyes and ears people, LLMs have everything to do with AGI and there is a smol bean demon inside the LLMs that is catastrophically misaligned with human values that will soon explode into the super intelligent lizard god the prophets have warned about.

I'm getting a tramp stamp that says "Remember the Markov Monkey Fallacy"

• Barges in
• Insists that somewhere between randomly initializing the model weights and finishing training, sentience magically emerges
• Refuses to elaborate
• Leaves Google

Sorry Barb, I really wish I could help, but the utility I get from sneering at Sammy while he rots in prison is simply too high to justify letting him out.