[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

On a whole I agree with you. You're absolutely right I am singling out USA because they do the most damage. But arguably, they do the most damage because their so large and influential. Similarly as China grows, their decisions cause more and more damage as well. It's the ripple effect of a Boulder vs a pebble.

But as you've highlighted, the people's voices in USA don't seem to matter and that bothers me. There are lots of voices, but the voices that go against the establishment, even if it's a majority go unheard. That concerns me. A democracy that doesn't listen to its voters isn't a democracy to me.

Worse as this goes on, it appears to me that they've found the perfect way to ignore voices. By conflating all issues, they've created a system where all that matters is politicking and not actual policies. For example, the Republicans tied immigration to Ukraine funding. That's fucking insane, but it worked.

In my opinion. USA needs to stop worrying about other nations and needs to fix our own democracy first. Unfortunately it's clear to me now that isn't going to happen. Instead they're conflating issues to keep voices silent. Like the Democrats running around saying you have to vote for them on abortion and OK so they're still allowing the massacre of Palestinians, but it's toted not as bad as what Republicans would do. It's messed up blackmail. And that's all the US politics has become.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Uh yea, it's very much the swatstika is my heritage. And it really shows how your just dismissing cultures you don't like.

We both agree Nazi swastikas should be banned, your just trying to argue that it wasn't cultural when it absolutely is. Just as it's literally part of Chinese and Indian culture. But suddenly when it's applied to a group you don't like you just dismiss it? That's hilariously ignorant.

Also, what's happening in China has nothing to do with Uigurs. Famously they did it to Hans Chinese first, which lead famously to Tiananmen. Then they did it to the Tibetans, and we made movies like 9 years in Tibet. Now they're just expanding it. There is no cultural target, it's just whatever group is next.

Edit. BTW that's why it was called the cultural revolution, they were trying to wipe out Hans Chinese culture.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean if that's your definition, then China is not doing cultural genocide. They aren't separating children from parents and re-educating the children to assimilate. They're taking the parents, re-educating them and telling them to tell their children to be like them moving forward. That's what the whole sleeping in the beds thing is about. They're going family to family to make sure they don't break up families and make the whole family accept a new way of living.

Also, the destruction of racism was targeting white people. Heck that's what they're complaining about. They even had traditions and parties based on racism, least we forget who the KKK is So unless black people were also the target of anti-racism, then it was very much just the white people. Also, it was very much a movement from the government. It's why it lead to a civil war where the south said they could not abide by the northern government.

*Edit: In fact there's video after video of families in XInjiang asking the people who fled to come home. NOW, that said, it's entirely possible and likely they were forced to do this. But what I'm pointing out is, they're absolutely making sure that the families stay together and change as a unit, not forcing separation like what Canada did.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't say anyone handcrafted anything. I said you can't tell the difference between a Russian SKS and a Chinese one. You're the weird one talking about handcrafting.

Also, no you can't tell the difference forensically from a Russian vs Chinese SKS unless you had the gun. They were literally made with the same tools. But you don't know that do you?

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No because it's completely incoherent like your argument. But to answer your original point, it was much easier to access weapons in China prior to 1989. You just can't deal with reality.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What are you talking about? This isn't China today, this is China in 1989 when they weren't able to have the kind of control they do today. In fact, Tiananmen is WHY China puts all the controls they have in place today. And we can feel that's excessive, but at least know some basic history. Jesus, if you don't even know basic history you really are a lost cause.

*Edit: In fact prior to Tiananmen, the west thought China was so open they were happily selling China weapons.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-T-NSIAD-98-171/pdf/GAOREPORTS-T-NSIAD-98-171.pdf

It wasn't until after Tiananmen did they feel China was closed. And China said it had to be because of Tiananmen. So yeah, back then, not too hard to get weapons in.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, they're using that image to say China bad. And yet no one can explain how those armored vehicles got destroyed. They just conveniently leave that information out. Which is my point. I'm sourcing from WESTERN ANTI-CHINA sources. So it'd be really awkward for you to try to deny them. Which was the whole point. I really enjoy reading you jumping all over yourself to try to explain why western media that are anti-china is posting proof of what I'm talking about.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No I showed you an image that a western journalist took. This is not available in China and was taken by a UK journalist. Here's an article using it from the UK.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-square-protest-massacre-china-us-mike-pompeo-1989-a8944841.html

So what you're telling me, is that an image created by and taken for UK newspapers is actually Chinese propaganda? Do you hear yourself?

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What the? So your argument now is that after seeing the military avoid conflict driving around the tank man and seeing destroyed columns of armored vehicle, you think China staged all of that? Even though those images were taken by western journalists who were there at the time? So China got the west to play along with this as well? What are you talking about?

*Edit: You do know that no pictures were taken by China and that everything we have was taken by foreign journalists right? You know at least that much about the history I hope.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Right, I don't trust the government. I do trust images, such as the one of a destroyed armored column. That could not have been done by peaceful protestors. How do you explain the destroyed column otherwise.

*Edit: I do trust that I saw the tank man survive. I also do trust I've seen dozens of images of US police running over BLM protestors. I trust what I see with my eyes, not what the governments say. Why do you trust words over images?

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I mostly agree, but India is never going to do China's bidding. India is playing both sides and getting as much as possible from each. The only difference is China understands this and will make it's successes look like India is siding with China. USA doesn't seem to understand this for some reason and well...

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but the problem with your argument is it's the Chinese people that aren't LGBTQ friendly. The communist government actually is.

Here's an article from the CCP celebrating LGBTQ people getting their equivalent of civil unions.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-08-09/LGBT-couples-in-China-file-for-voluntary-guardianship-J15eC8QcrC/index.html

Here's a list of popular Chinese Boy Love dramas that were created in China and approved by the CCP

https://litdarlings.com/10-best-chinese-bl-dramas-to-watch-now/

Yes, China censors actual kissing and physical contact in their LGBTQ films, however, that actually applies to straight films too. China just likes to censor things. However, it does not actively pick on LGBTQ.

The problem is the people, as per the article

Being gay is not illegal in China, At home, Wen said she regularly gets judgmental stares on the street for wearing her hair short like a man’s, and was once asked by her barber: “What happened to your life?”

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