How foolish to debate which mass murderer is better.

Both systems suck.

So, I looked it up. You're right. NATO countries are pillaging Africa in a way I never knew about. The index score is a good thing still, I think. But the source of that score should be considered.

Does anywhere exist with a high score that is ethically sourced?

I know China does the same thing in Africa. So they're out...

Regarding that comment about white people. The US is far more diverse than any super power. The only close comparison is Canada which is more diverse, but not a real super power.

The combined population of NATO is nearing 1 billion and it's much more diverse than China or Russia or any other "communist" or "socialist" state.

Anyways, I'm not saying NATO is good thing or bad thing. I don't truly know. But I know the US style of capitalism appears to bleed into NATO is shit. And China's "socialism" is shit too.

I don't disagree that the US is blood soaked. It's sickening to think many people work so hard every day to support their healthcare-less lives only for their taxes to go towards the interest of the debt the government builds killing children.

This however, has nothing to do with Chinese socialism vs US capitalism.

China and the US are practically dependent on each other economically. China is the one that allows some if the worst working conditions of any super power on earth. All in the name of "the greater good." People throwing themselves from the roof just to escape it. Hope much microplastic is generated from China's manufacturing plants? Doesn't China lead the planet in pollution?

China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases** – and by some considerable distance: the country is responsible for 90 per cent of the growth in CO2 emissions since 2015. Today, its share of total emissions is [32 per cent], far ahead of the US (13 per cent), India (8 per cent) and the EU at 6 per cent.

https://energytransition.org/2026/03/china-the-worlds-checkered-trailblazer-in-climate-protection/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Today%2C+its+share+of+total%2Cto+Belinda+Sch%C3%A4pe+of+CRECA.

Lastly, don't misunderstand. I'm sure the US is better than China in things like pollution, while China commits less global genocide (if any).

The reason I don't think it's a talking point isn't to diminish those facts. It's because my argument is still: both systems suck!!!! We the people of earth deserve better than what either of these governments have been producing. And those changes can happen now if we all work together. Chinese people and Americans, hand in hand to overthrow these bullshit con artists.

I was taught what I know about China by last generation Chinese people while living there. Again, your assumptions and trying to paint me with a broad brush simply don't work. There are a lot of idiotic Americans on the left and right. I'm not one of them.

You're going to sit there and tell me that state controlled reporting doesn't influence their numbers? LOL do some research bro my God

I'm not. I'm progressive. Like Bernie Sanders progressive. But your name calling makes you something alright.

This one of the markers I would use for a "good" system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index

The Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index.

Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland... these are the leaders in this index. How? A high-welfare free market economy.

This is capitalism but with a foundation of human rights built on high taxes using examples like net wealth tax.

I'm glad you bright this up because this one of the markers I would use for a "good" system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index

The Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index.

I think New Zealand has a great example of how historically socialist political organizations have integrated a capitalist economy in a way that still continues to promote the welfare of their people.

Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland... these are the leaders in this index. How? A high-welfare free market economy.

This is basically capitalism but with high taxes using examples like net wealth tax.

Also, it's not fair to use a statistic like 90% approval rating. The state controls all the data and media. That's like trump saying he's the best that ever lived. Okay, but that's not actually true!

Ok. Thank you. I will do my best to do so in a timely manner.

I call myself a native Californian. Maybe it's a cultural thing that makes you think it's racist?

Honestly you've gotten just about as toxic as the other guy. I'm concerned a good faith argument is no longer possible. I hope you prove me wrong.

I love my job. It involves about 25 presentations per month on how I'm saving companies millions of dollars by increasing their efficiency. It's a small bubble in capitalism that doesn't have a negative side effect. Though, I do wish I was an owner in the company. I'm all for that idea! I'm pro socialism!!!

I think we have different definitions of how good things are going.

In my mind the scientific breakthrough phenomena is an interesting one. The US just defunded their universities and research programs across the board. So they are truly not even competing in that space at the moment.

Right now the world is desperately racing to AI dominance because the innovations in warfare are so tragic, they are left with no other option. The US leads in this space which implies that all innovation will soon be greatly enhanced with these tools.

To me, 99% of people on the planet are interested in a handful of common ideas: health, family, housing, entertainment, and a good job (I've not heard a better definition for this than: challenging, make an impact, fairly compensated).

I honestly don't care much about comparing the US and China in these regards since neither match the systems I mentioned before which are capitalism with a foundation of human rights paid for centralized non profit organizations or communism with high satisfaction and reduced concentration of government power.

If 99% of people are aligned on these topics, the reality is all war, conflict, government powers, regional economic competition are unnecessary. The government should be for the entire planet and simply administrative. That is the true ideal. Everyone gets to vote on their administrative tasks based on performance and efficiency markers every year.

No need for presidents, militaries, etc.