Or, they might vote Republican. In 2016, Clinton was na clear establishment candidate and Trump was a (fake) populist. Voters who went Green or Libertarian as a vote against the establishment were unlikely to swing to Hillary.

I'm not sure that dynamic still holds now. The MAGA faithful think Trump is a populist, but I don't think anyone else does.

I think you nailed it with "leftists". The comment I responded to didn't bother with the quotes.

The whole point of this obvious right wing psy-op is to drive a wedge between liberals and leftists. When liberals don't distinguish between "leftists" and leftists, it plays right into their hands.

These operatives are running a two pronged attack. They aren't just impersonating leftists, they also imitate liberals preaching from their high horses like Hillary Clinton on steroids. Liberals should take care not to do that work for them.

It's not so much being pro-genocide as being genocide indifferent. The real motivation here is to avoid precedent that could be used against the US in the future. The US absolutely doesn't want to be subject to the ICC.

Justified genocide as collective punishment achievement unlocked!

It's about their liberty to tell you what you can or can't do/say

For me, the difference between nationalism and patriotism is that patriotism is about what a country could be. It's a willingness to sacrifice some portion of one's own prosperity to make a better country for all. That's certainly not what right wingers call patriotism though.

My experience as a suburban white kid growing up in the Reagan era was that racism was just something to learn about in history class. Part of me really misses being that naive.

The US has been pressuring Israel to spare civilians since before they went into Gaza. That's just reality. They haven't followed the disastrous strategies that critics have demanded for exactly the reasons I explained.

Netanyaho is a far right maniac who's popularity was based entirely on national security and who was facing multiple criminal allegations. There was no way that he wasn't going to go hard into Gaza. The US could have pulled all aid and weapons deals on day one, and it wouldn't have changed a damn thing - except that Israel would now be a Russian satellite state.

Ramping pressure over time is/was the best available strategy. That doesn't mean I think the US did everything right. That doesn't mean that Biden's personal positions on Israel aren't deeply troubling.

I'll say it again. You got exactly the resolution you were demanding, and exactly the result that people like me said you would get from it. Take the L and learn something.

She went off the rails long before that, but it took some time for her fan base to catch up with reality.

How on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a progressive thing? It's overwhelmingly conservatives and neoliberals using the "anti-Semitism" charge in defense of genocide.

It's not whining, it's justifiable outrage. The fact that Harris can point to the same exact record is not a plus. There were polls before this memory issue even came up showing that Trump was beating Biden with blacks, Latinos and voters under 25! Do you realize how bad that is!? Democrats have to absolutely dominate in those demographics to have a chance at winning. It's true that polling at this stage is pretty useless but, even so, that ought to be setting off alarm bells. This is really bad.

BTW: if you really want to alienate voters that the Democrats desperately need, then keep using words like "whining".

"Can't" is a funny word.