[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 10 months ago

Wait so it's a decentralised network with a rigid authoritative hierarchy?

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What the hell is this

Urbit is a decentralized personal server platform based on functional programming in a peer-to-peer network.

Am I having a stroke? What does "functional programming in a network" even mean? Does it mean anything? Do you torrent lambdas?

You wouldn't download a closure

The Urbit software stack consists of a set of programming languages ("Hoon," a high-level functional programming language, and "Nock," its low-level compiled language)

Weird ass names aside (Hoon sounds like a slur or is it just me?), they built two languages? Also what does "its" refer to here, Urbit's? From context it's as if Nock was Hoon's language, but that doesn't make semantical sense.

Also editorial note, just say "a pair" if there are two, not "a set"...

a single-function operating system built on those languages ("Arvo"); a runtime implementation of that operating system ("Vere"),

What. A "single-function operating system" doesn't even mean anything. Do they mean a unikernel? That at least is an actual term. And then what's that other thing? A "runtime implementation of an OS"? What's Arvo if it's not implemented or doesn't run, a fucking abstract painting of an OS?

And again, why do you need two languages to build this, it really seems you can have one? You're designing them from scratch anyway specifically to build this OS, why not make one proper language? Linus Torvalds barely had one and he managed.

public key infrastructure, built on the Ethereum blockchain ("Azimuth"), for each Urbit instance to participate in a decentralized network; and the decentralized network itself, an encrypted, peer-to-peer protocol.

What are we doing here.

The 128-bit Urbit identity space consists of 256 "galaxies", 65,280 "stars" (255 for each galaxy), and 4,294,901,760 "planets" (65,535 for each star) and comets under those.

What does any of this mean. Is it also a metaverse attempt? What the fuck is a planet in a network dude, would you call 123.73.41.0 more of an asteroid or a planetoid?

And now for a shot:

In 2022, the main software in an Urbit installation was a "bare-bones" text-based message board.

And chaser:

Tlon, the company founded by Yarvin to build Urbit, has received seed funding from various investors since its inception, most notably Peter Thiel, whose Founders Fund, with venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz invested $1.1 million.

So they built an artificially complex architecture, to the point where half of its description sounds made up, took the most complex kinds software engineering projects (a programming language and an OS), did them twice for good measure, slapped on a blockchain to be cool and hip I guess, for absolutely no fucking reason whatsoever. They didn't have a use-case that would warrant any of this engineering effort, all they wanted was a message board, a problem we have solved in the fucking 90s (? Maybe earlier?).

But it's good enough for the Lich King and Egg Boi to give them a million fucking dollars. God I hope at least they boughy some quality drugs with that money or else this was a giant waste of resources.

Conclusion: the Wikipedia article on Urbit is absolute garbage. I feel like I know less about what the fuck this thing is after I read it. Can anyone tell me why any of this? Why did they do this? Why do they need a custom OS? Who hurt them so bad they came up with such shitty names for everything? Would you nock a hoon or is that too vere?

EDIT: Bonus question, how is this pronounced? Instinctively I read the U as in "uranium", but the article writes "an Urbit", so it's a short U like in "full"?

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 11 months ago

Cosigned by the author I also include my two cents expounding on the cheque checker ML.

The most consequential failure mode — that both the text (...) and the numeric (...) converge on the same value that happens to be wrong (...) — is vanishingly unlikely. Even if that does happen, it's still not the end of the world.

I think extremely important is that this is a kind of error that even a human operator could conceivably make. It's not some unexplainable machine error, likely the scribbles were just exceedingly illegible on that one cheque. We're not introducing a completely new dangerous failure mode.

Compare that to, for example, using an LLM in lieu of a person in customer service. The failure mode here is that the system can manufacture things whole cloth and tell you to do a stupid and/or dangerous thing. Like tell you to put glue on pizza. No human operator would ever do that, and even if, then that's straight-up a prosecutable crime with a clear person responsible. Per previous analogy, it'd be a human operator that knowingly inputs fraudulent information from a cheque. But then again, there would be a human signature on the transaction and a person responsible.

So not only is a gigantic LLM matrix a terrible heuristic for most tasks - eg "how to solve my customer problem" - it introduces failure modes that are outlandish, essentially impossible with a human (or a specialised ML system) and leave no chain of responsibility. It's a real stinky ball of bull.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 11 months ago

The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.

The trouble? That's the trouble? Not the genocide, the optics of genocide?

You see, the trouble with Nazi Germany is that they didn't have a big enough PR budget.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago

It's actually spelt "less, wrong" as those are two main reactions any time you see a post there.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago

Oh, look. There's a Basilisk! You probably can't see it. Get closer.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago

the distribution of genetic traits associated with intelligence is non-zero

This doesn't even make sense. What the fuck is a zero distribution? A probability distribution cannot be "zero" in any sensible meaning of the word. Did you mean uniform?

Also obv citation needed you sack of spuds.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago

But here's a recipe for success according to the theory:

  • start slamming testosterone and amphetamines to get your workaholicism, betterThanEveryone complex, and drive for power

Yet another dude who watched Wolf of Wall Street and thought "yes, this is what peek success looks like, I'll aspire to be like this". Absolute rubes the lot of them.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago

I like ‘Star Wars’ way better. I’m a capitalist. ‘Star Wars’ is the capitalist show. ‘Star Trek’ is the communist one. There is no money in ‘Star Trek’ because you just have the transporter machine that can make anything you need. The whole plot of ‘Star Wars’ starts with Han Solo having this debt that he owes and so the plot in ‘Star Wars’ is driven by money [~Peter Thiel]

Your Honor, my client might've murdered mr. Thiel with a Lego model of a Star Destroyer, but as witnessed by Exhibit A he acted in good faith and as what can only be described as service to the community. We move for full acquittal.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago

Jesus, that math crankery post is mind-boggling.

SCSPL, which stands for Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language, is just a totally intrinsic, i.e. completely self-contained, language that is comprehensively and coherently (self-distributively) self-descriptive

Okay but is it also self-fuckable in the sense of being able to go fuck itself?

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago

Want to be in charge of the US criminal justice system?

I have zero qualifications, but I'm also not a bloodthirsty vengeful old guy, so it'd probably be a net improvement.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago

So much to unpack. What the fuck is "Far Left"? How do you treat women eating pussy? Differently in college than after college? Why?

I completely agree with framing all Alt Righters as cocksuckers, but I'm not sure that's what was meant here.

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