[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And you consider that a credible source?

An obscure Western "NGO," a private foundation with opaque funding structures, with one co-founder being American and the other a Swede who was already imprisoned in China and then deported, two bros in their thirties who already ran similar setups before this NGO, e.g., Chinese Urgent Action Working Group. The "Safeguard Defenders" from the West, with the explicit mission statement of meddling in China's affairs, which states:

supports local field activities that contribute to the protection of basic rights, promote the rule of law, and enhance the ability of local civil society and human rights defenders in some of the most hostile environments in Asia

or

Asia is among the most world's most repressive regions in terms of freedom of speech and has one of the worst records in persecuting journalists.

Well, they definitely have a mission, that's for sure. How would we perceive that here, i.e., the other way around, hmmmm?!

Xinhua News Agency January 19, 2016

Recently, the national security organs and the public security organs jointly cracked a case of endangering national security, successfully defeating an illegal organization that has long received overseas financial support, trained and funded a number of "agents" in China in the name of the "China Rights Protection Emergency Assistance Group", and engaged in criminal activities that endanger national security. Criminal suspects such as Peter Yesper Darling (Swedish nationality) have been taken criminal coercive measures in accordance with the law.

I'm sure they've never had anything to do with any Three-Letter-Agency and are totally not biased or anything. And we also know, everything that comes from China is bad and evil and lies and so on (as showcased once again with the article you posted).

Interestingly, seemingly the same people who already reported on the ominous Chinese police stations in Western nations.

That's why we should take everything these nice gentlemen report very seriously, you're absolutely right, Chief Lemmy Propagandist (Section Germany) Hotznplotzn.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 month ago

Alright, this answer has a lot of questions. They are rhetorical, tho, I want you to ask yourself these kind of questions and think about their implications. I'm not going to keep discussing this, I'd rather stop wasting my time on randos on the internet, but alas, here we go.

The long term efficient thing is to support Ukraine and continue to wear down and embarrass russia.

To what end? Have Russia collapse? Then what happens? And why do you want that? Do you want that, because you think they are evil and a shithole country? Don't you think that's a dumb take? What happens with the civilians, do they have it coming?

The long term efficient thing is to not be in a constant state of war. Ask: Who benefits from a constant state of war?

If russia is allowed to expand based on violent expansionism, it will only be encouraged to do more

Would considering NATOs expansionism be marked as Russian propaganda for you? If so, why? NATO is a military alliance lead by the world hegemon, which is a hyper-aggressive bully on the world stage, projecting its power with more then 800 bases around the globe and attacks other sovereign nations at will, as a standard mode of operation; NATO countries like the USA, the UK and Germany are complicit in the abhorrent genocide against the Palestinian people; why are these nations the ones to decide, at which point they themselves are getting too close to another sovereign state and not the state that's being cornered by them? And why are they suddenly trustworthy in regards to Ukraine/Russia? Isn't that creating dissonance in your mind?

and that will cost Europe more in lives and resources in the long run.

It will cost Europe AND Russia more lives of the working class people to keep on fighting a war of attrition. What are they fighting for, do you have a coherent answer? Good versus Evil? Does Russia want to own all of Eurasia? Does Europe only want to "restore order"? Tell me, why you think they are at war, at all, what's their endgame? And why do ordinary people like you and me have to die for these goals, while the military industry thrives with exploding stocks? And why do these stocks plunge, every single time when peace talks are being held?

Of course, they don't want to slap russia too hard, or it might have a tantrum and escalate.

Escalate how, nuclear? Because either Russia is too weak to win against Ukraine or it's such a big danger, that they might invade (western) Europe soon, which is it? They might have a tantrum and escalate, but Europe still wants to keep fighting a war against them. Dunno, seems unreasonable and incoherent.

So the slow bleeding off of its capabilities is the goal.

You don't think Russia would know this? Why aren't they just escalating anyway then, or change strategy? You agree, that Ukrainians are bleeding, too, right? Again, ask: Who is the beneficiary?

It really sucks for the Ukrainians, but they clearly would rather fight it, (...)

Who are "they"? The nationalist government? The men being kidnapped off the streets to be sent to the frontlines? Who wants to fight? The people of Luhansk and Donetsk? You don't think they'd rather be alive, no matter where some random border is and which passport they have? Polls suggest, that the Ukranians are in fact not "clearly" in a mood to fight, anymore, but quite the contrary. Maybe, it's not the Ukrainians that want to fight. Who does, tho? Who benefits from this?

(...) than become part of the shithole country that russia is.

That's a value judgement based on your own biases. Why isn't Ukraine a shithole country, too? Or dunno, Poland, or hell, Germany? And do you think the Russian speaking people from the Donbas region, as well as other regional minorities would rather be part of shithole Ukraine, the country that suppresses their primary language and that were at war with the Ukrainian government since the Maidan in 2014? Or should they all just be executed anyway, as they are Russian traitors to the Ukrainian nationality?

Look, this is tiresome as fuck. I'm not saying Putin a cool guy, alright? I'm not "supporting Ruzzia", but I seriously think that a lot of you folks here on lemmy.world are only repeating what NATO-aligned media is telling you to think and that's: WAR WAR WAR. RUSSIA BAD. CHINA BAD. It's 100 % NATO propaganda. You are not NATO, you are not the capitalist class. You don't have to identify with these narratives. You will not benefit from this.

You are not going to defend "your way of life". The capitalist class is defending theirs. All there is for you is misery, stop cheering for the war machine, it's dumb.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So, it's still in Europe. What's your point, other then division? Stop with this us/them shit, stop supporting warmongering narratives. Geography is not interested in this bullshit and you shouldn't be, either.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 month ago

Russia is still in Europe no matter how you spin it.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh it has always been will. Let‘s not pretend like capitalism has the better logistics and therefore a better world wouldn‘t have been possible sooner. That’s only romanticizing capitalism.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago

Yes, you are correct in that Geopolitical economy is a contemporary Marxist approach to understanding the capitalist world historically. I don‘t see the problem. You scared of Marxism? If billionaire owned western media does not provide factual reporting, you‘ll have to go elsewhere.

As I said, focus on the substance. Do you believe what is shown there is wrong? Like, the tweets of Machado or the quoted reporting from more mainstream outlets?

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago

Focus on the substance, here's the evidence laid bare: Geopolitical Economy Report. Stop acting reflexively ignorant.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 3 months ago

The third one is not the same account. Is it the same user? You tell me, you’re the mod.

So you actually managed to do moderation stuff and banned the fascist for a whole week, congratulations. I am indeed a bit surprised, gj!

How did that came to be? Because every time I pointed out their language, you ignored it, even called me unhinged for articulating a thorough critique. So you didn’t act on the user spewing hate speech, but on the user confronting you with your ignorant inaction. I don’t see how you’re fit for the job, lol.

Regarding the third example: instead of acting on the hate speech for which the user got their comment deleted (they openly fantasized about scenarios on how to kill a whole group of people), you used your energy to smudge the meaning of ableism in order to defend their post complaining about it. You’re still a shady and dishonest human being. And I am sorry, but that’s what I’m getting from your behaviour.

So, what brought you so far to actually ban a fascist for a week, what did he actually say? Because the instances I showed you obviously weren’t bad enough for you to act on it.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ridicule me however you want, you‘re still the one happily using fascist language.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 months ago

But you are dehumanizing people with a different political ideology by calling them roaches (repeatedly). Why tho? You do realize that‘s shit that fascists do. Are you a fascist? You do sound like a Nazi talking about Jews; or a Zionist talking about Palestinians. Why do you do that?

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh look, no argument, like at all, none, nada. Only arrogant ridicule and ad hominem, as if I havent laid that bare a couple comments ago. At least try to show that you are a sincere subject. How boring.

what an unhinged reaction

Delivered as ordered. Here to impress you.

also it's than

Thanks, always a class act and so helpful. And that‘s all you got? Who cares, lol.

Should be fine to call you out as the dipshit, head roach and dictator cock sucker that you are, wouldn‘t you agree? Or does that only apply to „others“? Maybe we should just get rid of you and this deranged community?

What are your thoughts on this? Or on any of the other arguments and questions I‘ve put forward, annoyed, but at least in good faith? You haven’t answered one.

If you want to lead such an important community, maybe lead by example and be better thän the people you „document“? Don‘t you want to act as transparent as possible, after all, we need your point of view, so the unhinged commentators actually have something to refer to, instead of projecting? This can only increase post quality!

goooaaat, you dipshit, don‘t chicken out, what are you afraid of? Aren‘t you rationally and morally superior? Bring forth some kind of intellectually honest thought. I allow you to be unhinged, as well. Show us your true colours!

E: I‘m serious, tho, in as far as I‘m quite disappointed, that although I tried to engage in (IMO) serious criticism, you offered not one serious exchange. You can reject that as unserious projection, or whatever you need to not actually engage, but please realise, that you turn out to be deeply unserious, yourself, as you don‘t even manage to answer the most basic questions about your own stated opinions or the behaviour of your users. And that does paint a picture.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What’s up, smelling some conspiracy?  OMG, you might just be on to something! 

Or, go figure, my native language could just use definitive articles for what is just „Ukraine“ in the English language and I just made a grammatical mistake, which has nothing to do with the content of what has been said. How about you engage with that instead.

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