Give it time. I never used LocalMonero since I was happy with instant exchanges but I came close to using it just before it got shut down. At the time, there were only 2-3 acceptable sellers of XMR for Canadian Dollars and the best one kept having banking issues. There are currently 2 acceptable sellers of XMR for Canadian Dollars, which means that in Haveno's short life it's getting close to replacing LocalMonero for me. My hope is that eventually it gets integrated with Unstoppable Swap and BasicSwapDEX (and maybe Serai DEX) since there's no technical reason it can't automatically mirror the offers. Once that happens, it'll have more than enough liquidity for anyone.
I would agree with preferring light mode (with an off white background), but the community is split on the issue. Having a toggle mode would be helpful, but there might be a third alternative that might work for the community, beige mode like FIRO does ( https://firo.org/ ). Imagine using the hammermanns design but using the more beige versions of the Monero colors (toned down orange, dark grey, and white) as being the primary colors on the web site. It would show Monero is different and is a compromise between the "hacker black" and "corporate white" used by nearly every other crypto.
A few things. (1) The most valuable real estate is the top of screenplay of the page since it might be the only one people read (in transit to go to the menus), so it need to make a statement or be useful. As such, the circle takes up way too much room and gives little information or a feel for what Monero is. Also, the "[Insert Crypto] Means Money" slogan is a bit of a cliche and is claimed to apply to many crypto. If you want to keep the slogan, at least make it more Monero specific like "Monero Means Private Freedom Money" or "Monero is mind your own business money".
(2) I'll agree about the criticism of the black background. While it is true that some people complain about a white background burning their eyes, the "burning" problem would more likely apply to white text since it makes the text blurrier...especially if the text is smaller. The point of text is to be read. White text is "hole" in the background. It's easier to read text rather than a hole where the text is supposed to be. For my text editor, I tend to use off-white (so it's not bright) and dark gray text. IMO, using a graytone background of any colour plus and off-black text is the best best compromise, but if you want to have a dark theme in addition to the white theme, please make the text bigger and bolder and off white so it's easy to read. Firo.org (which I don't like the design of) has an example of the dark theme with bolder/slightly off white smaller bolder text and a white theme for subsequent pages with a gray tone rose background and dark gray text (although it should be a bit darker gray).
(3) I assume this is for https://www.getmonero.org/. IMO, a good replacement should be easy to read the first time and be a good resource that you to return to and want to return to again and again. Here's how I evaluate some of the competitors: (short version, I think that firo, bitcoin cash, and the current monero web site all have good ideas that would help the new design once you eliminate the problems in each).
- Cons: It's childish and doesn't onboard new users well.
- Pros: It prominently promotes community and merchants along side exchanges.
https://imgur.com/a/monero-redesign-homepage-d1-PcoYHcs
- Cons: It's harder to read and makes it look like just another exchange payment token and not a community driven project. It also makes "Get coins" look like the only way to get Monero is through exchanges (which is not) and the only way to use Monero is to send it to someone else (which it isn't).
- Pros: It attempt to onboard Monero users and looks professional.
- Cons: The front "slide" takes up way to much space. While it is good for first time visitors, repeat visitors will get annoyed skipping to the content they want. The subsequent slides are also way too spaced out sit it is harder to find what you need.
- Pros: Clean design that is relatively easy and pleasant to read. Making the first section different looks nice.
- Cons: It puts too much content directly on the front page. If it wanted to have this, it should make it list 4 to 8 popular choices along with a "see more" bar which presents all the choices. There is very little mention of the community. There are too many FAQ questions. If they have to be on the front page, at least make them progressive disclosing (i.e. click to see the answer to each question).
- Pros: A very clean and design with some use of an off white background and gray text. Once progressive disclosing is put in place and community is added, it can be a very good website.
- Cons: Looks both plain, uninteresting, and not useful.
- Pros: Nothing significant
- Cons: Looks both plain, uninteresting, and is not made for people who have trouble with contrast. The top page takes up way too much space for little value.
- Pros: It gives the basic information that's needed and mentions a community.
- Cons: Way too complicated, unpleasant to navigate, and hard to find what you need.
- Pros: It has a lot of information....it just needs to be organised and presented much better and the community should be emphasised more.
Fortunately, you're reading the numbers wrong. Yes, some projects have 1-3 projects. Those projects tend to be side projects (e.g. Revuo, web site maintenance, etc) and are likely founded mostly from wallet providers and Monero service providers since it helps spread information that helps the ecosystem. I know Cakewallet has funded a few of these. The really important projects have 5-70 contributors. If donations stop, then some people would keep working on it because Monero is important, but they wouldn't be able to spend very much time on it so progress would be incredibly slow.
Granted, but searching bank records requires a warrant and you'd have to have one for all possible banks. Donations might be tracked (if not made in person), but distribution of donations are a whole another story since the people involved were already debanked...they could only spend the cash and they would likely mostly spend the cash in places that didn't scan bills. Even if they directly deposited the money into the bank, there would be no record of who got the donated money (remember, the people involved were debanked so the only way for them to get the cash if it were directly given to them). With Bitcoin, there's a clear trace from donator to donation collector to debanked person stored in the blockchain so it can be retrieved for analysis at leisure. With AI it's possible to greatly narrow down the path to the extent that standard police leg work and warrants can find the path with a high degree of accuracy.
The "sources" are extremely sus. Most CEXes have delisted Monero and no-KYC exchanges by definition don't have KYC. The addresses are not stored on the blockchain. If an address is known to be CSAM, it would be blocked off so no transactions would have been made and because of the previous point, you can't go back in the blockchain to find past offenders. The CSAM site likely has other non-CSAM porn so many actual purchases would be legal so usage on honeypot exchanges would not mean much. Reading between the lines, the article is basically coming up with its statistics via inference. (1) Most BTC blockchain activity is speculation, (2) CSAM makes up a significant percentage of BTC actual usage, (3) Monero's popularity is growing, (4) Criminals prefer privacy, (5) therefore Monero's growth is mostly from CSAM. The main counterpoint to this is Monero's increase use in coin cards, VPN and other privacy tool/services purchases, Shopinbit, etc where Monero's use exceeds that of BTC and lightning. So (1) does not apply to Monero, and it's likely (2) if it were ever true is increasingly not the case so (5) is absolutely false.
Two things. While you may disagree with some points, his overall analysis is well thought out. While he does acknowledge that fungeability and price stability are essential to a currency, and you could convince him that Monero has these qualities, he also has two other criteria that Monero does not currently possess, namely "being declared legal tender" and durability, i.e. will it be around with a predicable price in 100 years, so you can make contracts with it. Monero fails the "official" legal tender criteria (even if you're able to live off Monero and show it's unofficially legal tender). All crypto, including Bitcoin fails the durability criteria. Bitcoin has only been around 15 years...that's just a baby currency that has not even gone through even a single serious recession. I cannot guarantee you that Bitcoin or Monero will be around in 100 years. I can't guarantee that its price is at least the current price at that time. No-one can, even though they may believe it to be the case. The only way to show that Monero is durable, is using Monero so it will endure. Eventually, it will reach the stage where all reasonable people will trust it enough to believe that it is durable. No need to worry about influencers. They will look into Monero when the need or interest arises.
Yes, adopt those threads on Monero Town but do not be surprised if it doesn't change the size of the reddit population. People on reddit that have no other interests, might move to Monero Town, but most reddit users started with interests in several reddit forums and monero just happens to be one of them. They won't leave reddit for Monero Town, although they might add to their social media if Monero Town is much better than /r/monero. If you want them to move from reddit, you have to make sure the other groups are also on lemmy. My suggestion is to have a poll on /r/monero asking people which groups do people look at. Once you have that list, then find the comparable lemmy group (if there is any) and then post it on reddit. That resource would open people up to considering life outside of reddit. Without that resource, expect slow change.
You're logically correct but people aren't...at least not in a straight forward way. There are lots of thing that have zero value but are tremendously overvalued because they get value "in other ways" which are downplayed. Take fine art. Some "fine art" is used in influence peddling. For instance, it may be illegal to give a politician 1 billion dollars, but perfectly legal to buy the politician's back of the envelop scribble as "art" for 1 billion. "Fine art" is also a common way money laundering happens and creating tax writeoffs out of nothing. As for BTC, it would not matter if there was no retail usage. As long as it can be a unit of account that can get shuffled once a month between megabanks, all legit transfers of value can happen on L2s. Banks have been at this for thousands of years. They know how to control, capture and keep the value of any commodity. What counts is trust and BTC, even after the megabank takeover will still be decentalized enough to preserve trust across banks, and if there is an issue, BTC could be swapped with something like wrapped BTC on Solana and the original BTC coins can be burned, leaving BTC as a burnt out relic. Thankfully Monero is currently free of "the system", but if privacy is ever accepted as necessary by the mass portion of the population, we need to be vigilant.
I've never understood the attraction to CEXes. IMO, they're confusing, slow, require you to put funds into them and take funds out and wait for each to process, and have heavy KYC/AML. I gave up on then the first time I tried them. My first purchase of Monero was on the ChangeNow instant exchange. It was simple and at the time the KYC/AML was only a document. There's no way I'd ever give a 3D video Selfie with the modern state of AI. Changing between cryptos on DEXes was even easier since there was no KYC/AML. I've never used LocalMonero but was willing to try it before it was shut down, but I'm looking forward to Serai. I'm not yet comfortable with Haveno but if I were to buy Monero now, I'd likely buy DAI or LTC or BCH on an instant exchange (depending on the exchange rate) and then swap with XMR immediately so it doesn't cause a taxable event from the government's perspective. Yes, it would be registered with the government that you had crypto, but unfortunately I love boating and things happen.
I don't know where to begin but I'll give it a try:
Statement: ...at present monero-multisignature wallet tech is not 100% ... and would probably make things more complicated and not easier. Response: The easier it is for you to get funds, the easier it is for a hacker to get them, so what's wrong with this.
Statement: Using direct donation payments to devs is not an option for couple of reasons since there will be no oversight on their work / spend hours. Response: It is if done naively, but trivial if each CSS proposal had its own wallet. After validation, final payment can be made by handing over the keys (no transfers required). If there are multiple milestones, make a wallet for each milestone. This will take less time to manage than a big wallet, it would be easier to automate, and be harder on hackers.
Statement: Bitcoin multi-signature is much more tested.... Response 1: And Monero multi-signature will always be less tested if it isn't used. Please "eat your own dog food" (i.e. use Monero the way it should be). When Linux lost access to the proprietary version control the core team was using, Linus wrote his own. It was buggy, but did the job. Because it was used, it was made to work the way the core team needed, and eventually took over the world (i.e. GIT). Use Monero multi-signature so that it becomes better and works the way you need it to work. Response 2: Effectively, the CSS team would be proclaiming "Don't trust a big chuck of funds to Monero. Use Bitcoin".
Statement: I gave plowsof and luigi as example to keep CCS structure as much AS-IS. Response: This is precisely the problem. If there are OP-SEC issues, you can use multisig and all the advanced tech you want but it will not stop the funds being being hacked because tech wasn't the problem. Please see the most recent Monero-Talk with Artic mine for details. Yes, having good OP-SEC is a pain, but rebuilding trust is a lot more expensive. How much do you think the CSS will raise if people don't trust it? Note, the core team might be the most trustworthy people on earth, but if they had poor op-sec, it can happen again. Also, I am extremely trustworthy to a fault, but if someone but if someone put a gun to the head of my family, I don't know if I wouldn't give up the keys to save them.
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I think you miss what the poster and I are trying to say. On LocalMonero and on Bisq2, you could purchase without deposit based solely on the reputation of the person. That is all the person was asking. I commented that if Haveno had a field in the seller information for private contact (e.g. simplex, signal, etc) the trade could be done outside of Haveno since other than listing the sellers and contact information, Haveno would provide no guarantees. That's an acceptable risk for many people to start off - you just don't risk too much on first contact. Unfortunately I've checked and , Haveno doesn't provide this feature yet...IMO, it will as it incorporates Bisq2 features or at least adds a contact field in the seller information.