I'll take one of each, please.

I don't care what you say, the Apple store circa 2001 is iconic and definitely has that "lickability" factor that Jobs loved so much about the original OS X's Aqua UI.

So the argument boils down to it being due to bad parents rather than evil technology, yes?

That's not the main arguments being used to ban these devices and advocate for more radical plans. Removing access to these doesn't make someone a good parent. Kids turn to other methods.

And to an earlier point in another comment: guess which cohort has explosive growth in smoking at the moment? Not people our age. Teens and young adults of legal age. Gen Z, in particular, is a huge market for that industry now. Cigars and pipes in particular. Vapes are counted separately but are wildly popular.

Banning the sale of highly regulated goods where the state is the official and only legal seller of said good in many states is one thing. We are talking about the internet here, though. And cell phones. And computers. And tablets. May as well put TVs and connected devices on the list, and definitely console platforms.

That's the real problem, kids being able to spend unlimited time unsupervised because they have horrible absent parents. Parents shouldnt let their kids have unrestricted time like that. That is one reason why kids suffer in school not because of phones; because their parents aren't involved to guide them in making good choices and forcing good habits.

So we take away the phones as the luddites demand. What fills the gap? Definitely not independent learning. Most definitely not suddenly mindful and present parents.

There is a lot of fear mongering and blaming, but no actual effort to fix it. Banning or removing doesn't fix it. There is a reason that, when absent parents for latchkey kids were huge problems, they didn't simply decree gangs illegal and pat themselves on the back. Communities offered alternatives. But no alternative is being offered here. All the woes are shifted onto the unholy smartphone and internet.

Ya know why predators can find success online? Because shit parents don't parent. A better use of resources would be forcing the parents to sacrifice their phones contingent on spending time with their kids, right?

my experience is such that people don't get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.

And based on what I'm seeing when I check folks' profiles reiterating the same story... Yep it checks out more often than not. There's no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.

Tell me, how culpable were thr old SPD members that fled Germany immediately prior to the Enabling Act? The politicians who skipped town rather than vote to stop Hitler. I mean, they didn't explicitly vote for Hitler to become dictator. But they had the ability to prevent lr delay it and didn't.

At some point the rational and adult thing is to recognize that inaction is a defacto vote for the worst scenario you can imagine because you didn't attempt to stop it. If you see a car hit a little girl, and then flee, are you in the free and clear ethically and morally for just driving right by only to hear she later died because no one else tried to help?

You could say similar about our leftist history. How many countries did we instigate revolutions in to overthrow even somewhat democratic governments?

Radicals will rationalize anything including putting Trump back into office.

Has to be Krampus, and Anna and the Apocalypse.

Krampus really scratches that nostalgic itch every year and I don't know why. The broken family dynamics, the environment, the sound and set designs are amazing. And it has a lesson like every good Christmas movie should.

And Anna and the Apocalypse is similar. It is funny, musical, and ultimately an allegory about growing up and leaving everyone behind to forge your own path. A good reminder that you never know when it will be your last Christmas with someone. Or maybe I'm looking into it too much and I just like zombie musicals.

This is legit a similar argument to the satanic panic or attempts to ban metal and violent video games.

Hold bad doers responsible.

For iOS: I fully recommend Thunder or Memmy. Very complete (I’m not a mod so perhaps lacking there?).

For Android: Sync is just so perfect. Feels like Reddit before it was overtaken with low-effort Facebook exiles. Boost is great as well. I know there are tons of apps for Android in particular but both of those just feel right at home for me.

Mastodon often feels to me more like Facebook for software developers

I wish. I’ve tried to curate mine as such.

My mastodon feed is awash in spam from authors hucking their LLM generated stories. Constantly. And random low viewer count streamers spamming hashtags every hour 24/7.

It’s crazy how much LinkedIn-like sociopathy is out there right now. Makes sense given the huge spike in new accounts we’ve had in the last month.

And let's not forget the societal implications of celebrating and institutionalizing abject greed-is-good mentality. Capitalism inherently trends toward zero sum thinking and acting. Little wonder it always leads to something resembling fascism in the end. Some countries just haven't advanced that far yet, but that's why it is a very real threat even in what my fellow Americans idealize in democratic "socialism," a "socialism" in which parasitic capitalists still get to retain ownership of enterprise while they grow fat and rich off the work of others. This is why there has been a resurgence of ultra rightwing extremists around the world in capitalist systems.