warm it

why not both?

yeah, killing the animals so you can consume their flesh, after all their lives being in a enclosed space designed to maximise the profits, isn't bad or torture for the animals. the bad things happening to them from that life is just a byproduct of wanting to use their corpses for other things, so it can be considered torture, right?

it doesn't matter what is the explicit or direct intent, they are being abused, mistreated and tortured, just for personal and human gain.

you can torture other people physically, emotionally or psychologicaly without it being the direct intent for your actions, but the torture will still be there.

you can't kill ethically a fish, cow, pig, dog, etc.

sometimes there are "humane" times you have to kill, for some reason, another animal, because they are really suffering and it's impossible to bring them to health. anything else, is unnecessary.

There are a lot of alternatives for a plant based diet, and being healthy, you have to be informed to know what to eat, and with which thing combine it (rice and beans, together, are a complete protein). there is tofu, seitan, different types of grains and legumes that are protein complete or that you can complete between them

oh, I'm baffled and shocked, it appears that the new generations, that have no place to live, earns like shit and have no true career paths, don't want to bring a child to a world that seems to be every day worse... (and I said this as a person that lives and work outside of the US).

My country is accepting immigrants because usually they bring childs or have childs so the process to stay is way easier as the child would be from our country nationality, as the people from here also aren't having children per the high cost of living and low paying jobs.

I have a good job with a good pay, and even I, that have a wife, don't consider having children, as we rent because it's impossible to buy a home, and we don't see how we could really support having children and giving it a good life...

they don't want to think about it, or they directly think that all animals doesn't feel pain (or that the pain they suffer it's not important because they are just animals and "we as humans, are above them".

As a kid I liked to go fishing with my step father, and we (or at least I) never thought about what the fish felt, as they were so different to us, and they taught us that this was normal and fun.

It was years later that I really thought about it.

No matter what they say... the requirements are never truly final. They're just lurking in the shadows, waiting for a rewrite. Much like a Sith.