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[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 7 points 21 hours ago

i think this topic has about run its course in terms of productiveness, and has mostly devolved into people complaining about being held to (objectively correct) vegan ethics. locking

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

TL;DR, they physiology is pretty similar to someone filling your lungs with a saline solution, but slower because they're cold blooded.

When you consider this, that most plastic comes from fishing, and that modern day slavery is heavily present in it (no police on a boat, and hard to escape) I actually have more respect for meat eaters than pescitarians. Don't eat seafood, folks.

[-] Jack@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The 2 trillion figure is the minimum: it could be more than 6 trillion every year, and the elephant in the room is that more than half of those are factory farmed - which means humans are responsible for torturing them their entire lives.

"for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka" - Isaac Bashevis Singer

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[-] einkorn@feddit.org 61 points 1 day ago

Was that ever up for debate? I mean, what do people believe happens when one takes a creature adapted to breathing through water out of said water?

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 23 hours ago

Apparently it's a common myth that fish don't feel pain. I think it's because they show pain differently than mammals (for example, if a salmon let down an ear-shattering shierk when caught, I think we'd think differently) and people don't want to think about it.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 21 hours ago

People also believe that goldfish have no memory, and insects don't think or even aren't alive. You'll notice the common thread of these exonerating us for our tiny bowls and our swatting.

It's like the modern version of "animals don't have a soul".

[-] optional@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they don't want to think about it, or they directly think that all animals doesn't feel pain (or that the pain they suffer it's not important because they are just animals and "we as humans, are above them".

As a kid I liked to go fishing with my step father, and we (or at least I) never thought about what the fish felt, as they were so different to us, and they taught us that this was normal and fun.

It was years later that I really thought about it.

[-] Signtist@bookwormstory.social 42 points 1 day ago

My dad is adamant that fish don't feel pain. He just heard it from someone when he was young, and accepted it as fact because it made him feel better as a fishing enthusiast.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

An example of a convenient lie when it suits humans.

[-] AnAverageSnoot@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Well, if he is a responsible fishing enthusiast, he should be putting the fish out of its misery by stunning it in the head right away. As mentioned in the article, this is still the best way to ensure that the fish don't suffer

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some fishing magazines downplay what the fish experience before being murdered.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 day ago

'It's OK kids, they're made out of styrofoam. They can't actually feel any pain'

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago

How would you ethically kill fish? For animals you could raise them to be old and live decent lives in a free range area and kill them with a stunner, but what about fishes?

Also, what are some good alternatives to fishes for your diet?

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Can you ethically kill your dog when they want to live?

You can make fish alternatives with carrots, tofu, jackfruit, seitan, oyster king mushrooms, chickpeas, tempeh, anti choke.

https://proveg.com/uk/fish-alternatives-10-vegan-substitutes-to-fish-caviar-and-other-seafood/

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[-] optional@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

you can't kill ethically a fish, cow, pig, dog, etc.

sometimes there are "humane" times you have to kill, for some reason, another animal, because they are really suffering and it's impossible to bring them to health. anything else, is unnecessary.

There are a lot of alternatives for a plant based diet, and being healthy, you have to be informed to know what to eat, and with which thing combine it (rice and beans, together, are a complete protein). there is tofu, seitan, different types of grains and legumes that are protein complete or that you can complete between them

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[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Edit: CW Don’t read if you don’t want descriptions of death of fish

Different ethical systems presume different things. That aside, I think the most universal thing is to minimise suffering. So it you’re going to fish, there are ways to minimise suffering of catch. It really depends your setup. But obviously the number one thing is do everything in your power to only catch things you will eat. Secondly, when you do catch something, don’t let it asyphixiate slowly to death. You can do a clean cut around the gill arches or the caudal artery. Which will hit the main veines and drop blood pressure to the brain really quick (very very quick death), this is also useful because then the fish bleeds out which prevents blood pooling in the meat from turning it rotten. Some people prefer to stun the fish before any cutting at all, so the first thing they will do, is hit something hard on the fish’s head which will immediately render it unconscious, then cut the arteries.

The whole asphyxiation to death is really the worst because it takes many many minutes and fish go through things like lungs collapsing and blood clotting which bring immense pain before being unconscious.

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Apologies for the thumbnail as it's hard to look at.

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