Are you suggesting that I read this work?

I have disagreements that China is currently socialist, but that is outside the scope of the original discussion.

I appreciate your correction Davel. I've seen some of your posts/comments in the past and they have always been informative on this topic.

I understand western notions of prisons paint ugly pictures of grey walls and metal bars so if they are given that much autonomy during the process, maybe that term was misleading and I apologize.

I do take issue with the hypothetical terrorist rebuttal though, because the same thing can be applied to the US policies. Yes, we did have terrorist attacks done against us. That doesn't mean that every person we locked up as a terrorist was one.

You might have the trust that China is telling the truth and isn't doing something similar, that's a valid enough position to have. Im still not personally convinced.

huh?

Why are we putting so much positive attention on a literal anti-semite? She is a terrible person, motivated by her terrible opinions, who happened to (for entirely different reasons) have a somewhat decent take on israel and aipac. This person was talking about fucking jewish space lasers like 5 years ago. She isn't trustworthy, she isn't woke, stop humanizing her.

Just pick one, if she doesn't like it try the other, and if she does like it and gets proficient at it, maybe she can try the other later on. Really can't go wrong here. I knew plenty of kids when I was in school who had done multiple combat sports and martial arts over the years.

You can become black belt in most martial arts as young as 15-16 (assuming you have the skills required). I can imagine that kinda achievement being a core childhood memory. 10 years of hardwork being rewarded!

Ah thank you for the name drop! And yeah, I hope things improve!

I agree that treatment seems a non issue, but from what I've seen the social stigma is incredibly significant. I forget their handle, but there was a trans man on rednote that had alot to say about the stigma in his part of china. That isn't to say the US is any better though.

China's claim is that anything that is being done is being done to combat islamic fundamentalist groups/extremists. This seems to be backed up by international support from Muslim countries.

Genocide claims were always unfounded. However, no matter how nice the guided tours of reeducation facilities look, they are still in effect prisons, and we of course don't know about the things that we aren't being shown.

If your position on the topic is anything more than "They may or may not be treated that good", you have information that nobody else has.

I use Debian as my main distro. Ive played with stable, testing, and unstable over the past few years. I'm confident Trixie is perfectly fine for stable. It looked fine the last few months I used it in testing.

If old stable didn't impress you, Trixie isn't gonna be any different. The hype is just because a release happened, we don't get those in Debian land very often.

At worst, I'd say it's a neutral change. Even the scenarios you've outlined are better than the alternative. But the truth is, we won't know until we know. Simple as that.

For what it's worth, I don't think they are a communist utopia either, and I think people get carried away hyping them up. I just don't think arguing about it is a hill worth dying on.

Linux users are gooners confirmed.