[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

That exactly what I personally think is problematic, because I would fundamentally disagree that this is "directly"

I find Rowling opinion on trans people rather disgusting and genuinely damaging. But the law seems to me rather excessive. But maybe I'm missing something.

I think it makes a lot more sense if you look at this bill while thinking about communities and interactions in modern times - ANYBODY can have a twitter, youtube, tiktok, etc account and immediately have access to a platform where they can potentially speak to thousands of people, and some of them are pretty impressionable (thinking andrew tate) - so as a community leader you should have some awareness that people are going to act on your ideas because they look up to you. I think this bill is trying to limit cases like that, and also cases of bullying where people have been harassed to the point of suicide simply for their identity

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

Have you actually read the law? Because i'm getting the feeling this is all talk straight from your ass. The entire bill is mostly a consolidation of existing hate crime laws with sex and gender added to the protected classes. Section 4 is probably the one most of you read about on twitter and are basing your entire argument on, it defines that you're not allowed to say things considered harassment or to incite hatred. You cannot just pester one person for just being gay. YOU can't just post about how bad you think gay people are and ask others to agree, because you're inspiring new people to harass others.

Section 9 goes on to expand on this, and very explicitly states that freedom of expression takes precedence and you cannot simply be arrested for criticizing a protected class. Meaning, you saying "i don't agree with transgender people, a man should be called a man" is acceptable. You cannot say "transgender people don't deserve rights" because you are harassing them directly.

The rest of the bill is mostly defining what classes are, and indicates that a lot of the provisions are meant to be used with other laws, it says "offense" a lot, which seems to be getting interpreted as "i am offended" when they're actually defining it as a crime that has been committed. They specify an example that the bill does not apply if you simply assault a police officer, but if you shout something at him about his religion or asexual identity, the bill applies as this is a hate crime.

Here's a link to a document that lays the bill out in layman's terms:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2021/14/pdfs/aspen_20210014_en.pdf

So again, please explain your issue with the bill? You're upset you can't go out and harass gay people all day?

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago

There's no world where they sell to preserve 10% of their users

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

This is a huge mixture of a problem with how we raise kids, a problem with the education system, and problems with people's livelihoods. Not really anything to do with free speech.

Anybody can just have a child and we're coming out of 3 generations of fathers going to wars, lots of our kids aren't raised well and don't realize they need to see a psychologist.

Our education system is pretty shit, fails to motivate kids or understand how a child in 2024 retains information, and so the kids don't care and they don't learn and now you have millions of young adults who don't know that you can't just take what some youtuber says at face value.

And lots of people struggling to make ends meet means there are going to be a lot of people who don't understand what they're doing wrong and will look for a scapegoat.

Free speech is never the problem.

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.

Planned parenthood

BLM

ACAB

defund the police

Communist/socialist policies

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

I'm just saying people have always been willing to hurt others

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

Idk if I would agree with that, murder has existed as long as people have. I mean, two of the most significant events in American history were the murders of political figures

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

A man much smarter than I once said "violence is the language of the unheard"

This "solution" is just another con to allow your lawmakers to ignore you in more ways.

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

Good. It's bad enough that at this point, they deserve to fear for their lives as theyre making decisions to make life specifically worse for thousands of people

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Skepticism is the literal precursor to the scientific method, and that's where you're stopping. There is no science at the skepticism step.

You're basically saying, "Gravity isn't real because I don't see proof."

A real scientist would drop an apple, a feather, a bowling ball, and verify it.

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

By your logic, going to a store and looking at clothes is predatory and manipulative.

[-] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Subscription services rely on the customer forgetting and paying for something they don't necessarily actively want, especially in gaming, not sure how thats such a better alternative than a cosmetic you can simply not purchase.

There is no psychological manipulation for a straightforward cosmetic purchase lol

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