@possiblylinux127
> You hit “create community”

That creates a community. Getting people to actually use it is a different and much more complicated thing.

AFAIK there is work underway to make more Lemmy communities more like Matrix rooms, by allowing the mods of 2 or more communities on different servers to federate them, so every post or comment to one of them goes to all of them. But this too is political and complicated.

@P4ulin_Kbana

Well that worked, I can see my reply as a comment on both Lemmy.nz (where I found the thread) and on https://lemmy.eco.br where @P4ulin_Kbana is posting.

Now someone reply, I want to see if this works.

@P4ulin_Kbana @x00z

@P4ulin_Kbana
> I’ve heard it’s (currently) impossible to post on Mastodon with a Lemmy account due to how both are differently built, unless you’re referring to seeing a Lemmy discussion from Mastodon

I'm trying to reply to this with a Mastodon account. I'll be interested to see if it appears in the discussion on Lemmy instances, and if replies to it from Lemmy appear in my @mentions here.

@x00z

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@skullgiver
> However, the Fediverse was never just about ActivityPub

Correct. As those of us who used GNU social 10 years ago will never tire of telling you, it was coined to describe the OStatus network. Once all the software using OS adopted ActivityPub, it came to describe the AP network, and anything hanging directly off it (eg Diaspora).

> ATProto is part of the Fediverse too

No it isn't, because...

> Fediverse software doesn’t speak it.

Same with XMPP, Matrix, etc

@erlend_sh

@Hexadecimalkink
> Did peerfed ever figure out the bandwidth issues? Is there a way this can scale?

If this is the PeerFed you meant, I'm guessing the answer to both these questions is 'no';

"This paper has been archived and no longer reflects the author's current thinking."

https://github.com/joshdoman/peerfed-paper

Although I do find this concept intriguing;

"The system consists of two convertible assets, interest-bearing cash and a paid-in-kind perpetual bond."

https://github.com/joshdoman/peerfed-paper/blob/main/peerfed.pdf

@yogthos

@yogthos
> An open source/self hosted and federated Tik-Tok alternative, made by pixelfed has just successfully tested federation.

The loops.video announcement by @dansup is here;

https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112569573022384441

@deadsuperhero
> development of a Go-based backend implementation, Dendrite

Also Rust-based homeserver implementations like Construct and Conduit. Both of which are usable, although missing a few nice-to-have added features. Eg Conduit is still working on;

"E2EE emoji comparison over federation (E2EE chat works)... Outgoing read receipts, typing, presence over federation"

@Terevos @Samsy

@deadsuperhero
> the reference implementation everyone uses by default is known to be bloated and slow, and poor at scaling

This doesn't seem to stop the fediverse growing (*cough* Mastodon *cough*).

@Terevos

@smileyhead
> But noone figured out how to prevent that in federated systems

You've basically got a choice been a centralised service where metadata can be limited but E2EE is mostly pointless (you have to trust the service operators' E2EE deployment), or a decentralised network where E2EE is reliable, but it's harder to limit metadata.

Which one is best depends on the situation/ threat model.

@AngryDemonoid

@deadsuperhero
> I’d really love to see a “modern” WhatsApp-like take on an XMPP messenger, but I haven’t found any

Have you looked at @snikket_im ?

@poVoq @lps

@itadakimasu
Plus, the Lemmy servers are part of a much larger network; the fediverse. Not just other forum apps like KBin either. Right now I'm replying to this from Mastodon.

I have an alt on a .nz Lemmy server, but haven't got into the habit of using it yet. So at least some of the perceived shrinkage *is* due to that, rather than any failure of the network. Also due to spam and troll accounts being purged.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

@itadakimasu
> there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing?

A centralised platform is a numbers game. The money for upgrading servers for growth has to come from one company, and if the platform shrinks it gets harder to get a return on that spending.

It just doesn't matter as much in a federated network. The cost of growth is spread across many servers. Some of which will end up shutting down, for a range of reasons. But others have room for growth.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan