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'Choose' rhymes with 'lose'? I mean c'mon, someone did that shit on purpose 👀

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[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Hoes drop their clothes.

Who the hell decided that close is pronounced the same as clothes?

[-] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No one? They aren't pronounced the same in any accent that I'm aware of.

Edit: I'm dumb. I was reading that as the "nearby" close and not the "shut " close.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

You're probably thinking of the pronunciation of close as in 'close to you'

I was thinking of the pronunciation of close as in 'close the door'

Which is pronounced the same as clothes.

[-] corvi@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

Those still aren’t pronounced the same. The th in clothes isn’t silent.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm not sure where you're from, but the th is indeed silent in my area regarding the word 'clothes'. I've never heard it pronounced any different than 'close'.

Now if it's said as 'clothing', the th is indeed pronounced. But not for 'clothes'. And I've worked at a clothing store before.

You might be thinking of the word 'cloths', which indeed does pronounce the th.

English is weird like that.

[-] BenM2023@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

I'm not sure where you're from, but the th is indeed silent in my area regarding the word 'clothes'. I've never heard it pronounced any different than 'close'.

I'm not sure where you're from, the th in is always pronounced in my area regarding the word 'clothes'. I've never heard it pronounced the same as 'close'

I will say that people got called out for pronouncing it the same as the spice 'cloves'.

FWIW My area = rural southern UK.

[-] ODuffer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah absolutely not silent. Unless perhaps you're a cockney. Source: I'm in northern England. Perhaps it is a British thing.

[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I'm in the US and I pronounce it, I think a lot of people do? Maybe I just know a lot of snobs and "regular" Americans mush the word together but I don't think so

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Oh well that's easy then, it's because you guys speak British, not English!

Kidding aside, I lived in East Anglia for a few years as a kid and I don't remember the British kids saying it that way either, but that was a really long time ago and my memory ain't what it used to be! I think. I can't remember how it used to be actually.

[-] BenM2023@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

it's because you guys speak British, not English!

Fighting talk, sirrah! Fighting talk.... But yes, I guess.

British English has been described as three languages dressed up in a trenchcoat that go around mugging other languages in dark alleys and stealing the best bits...

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You seem like the sort of person that would pronounce the word often with a hard T, yet still pronounce the letter A as if it was an O.

[-] BenM2023@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You seem like the sort of person that would pronounce the word often with a hard T,

Not at all. Used to make fun of people who did.

yet still pronounce the letter A as if it was an O.

No - there are two sounds for A, bath (short, as in cat) for tub of usually hot water and Bath (long, as in car) for the city famous for its hot water. Never heard it like O - no, wait... RP has an O sounding A doesn't it? Lloyd Grossman was famous for his mangling of vowel sounds.

ETA that distinction for the A sound is probably familial rather than regional; grew up with Geordie mam and Home counties dad.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[-] BenM2023@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Yeh cheese as cheeze is an odd one - especially considering the z is "zed" not "zee"... I guess cheese is where the idea of "zee" came from?

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Additional question..

Who decided to include the letter D in the pronunciation of the letter Z?

Zed?

Where did that come from? We don't say it that way over here in the states, we just say zee..

[-] BenM2023@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I would ask "why did you left ponders choose to change the pronunciation to zee?" - though given many USAian pronunciations are, apparently, closer to Elizabethan English than the current UK sounds I wouldn't like to guess which came first the zed or the zee....

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Probably because D has absolutely nothing to do with Z.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So on laundry day you put away your clo_s_ing? The rest of us have clo_th_ing.

I can edit also.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Huh? I have lived in every corner and the middle of the United States and I have never heard anyone pronounce the TH in clothes no matter the accent. It always sounds like close as in to close the door.

Unless you are thinking of cloths, as in a pile of wash cloths.

English kinda sucks sometimes.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

I’m American and I’ve never heard a single person ever pronounce it “close”. Listen closely and you’ll hear that the word sounds longer. That’s the pronunciation. It’s not a hard “thuh”. It’s a soft “ths”. Say the word “cloths” but use a long “o” sound rather than “awh”.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I pronounce the th sometimes, but not always, depends how fast I'm talking

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Close isn't always pronounced the same?!

[-] teft@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Sit close to me vs close the door

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Ooh wow you're right.

Close to me is "closs"

Close the door is "cloz"

I never noticed

[-] teft@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I've had to train my ear because I learned to speak spanish so I notice these things with my friends who are learning english.

The one that broke my mind the other day is that the D in drink is pronounced like a J. My friend was practicing his D sounds and came up with that out of the blue.

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Hmm, it is similar to a J, and may become the same depending on the speaker, but not necessarily exactly the same

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago

I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to the differences between accents/dialects but it's at least enough of a thing to be there in dictionaries.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Even the second one isn’t pronounced the same. Some accents drop the th sound in clothes which is why they can sound similar.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

They sound pretty close to me. We can close this issue.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 8 months ago

Okay as a non-native speaker who struggles with consonant clusters this is both the best and worst thing I learned today.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Hey we may have our language rules pulled from 30 different other languages and applied seemingly at random, but at least we don't have to memorize the gender of every inanimate object in the world!

I've taken 5 years of German and self studied some Russian and Spanish, and goddamn that gendered noun shit is really, really hard for native English speakers.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago

Okay you got me there. Also for what it's worth, gendered nouns are hard even when you natively speak a language with gendered nouns. Source: Am an Arabic speaker and will Jihad anyone who says a chair is female.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

As a native English speaker, English is freaking weird like that.

[-] SandLight@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't know that they sound that different, but I definitely "pronounce" them differently in that my tongue is in a different party of my mouth for both of them. When I say clothes, my tongue is near touching my front teeth, where as close is more just below that ridge behind my teeth, so farther back.

I'm from the center of the U.S. for reference.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I had half my jaw ripped open when I was 16 or so. So I guess I'm lucky to pronounce or enunciate anything correctly these days.

Southern Mississippi, if that means squat.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah Mississippi will do that to you.

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