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I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.
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this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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Now what's the juicy backstory to this drama?
Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime
Damn, never noticed I couldn't say stuff like "the US is a shitshow" over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!
Buggers, guess I'll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.
Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you're liable to have your comment removed for "misinformation", especially if you cite academic works.
Same answer as above: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/25676408/14608182
I can also cite academic papers that apparently prove homeopathy works or, if time doesn't matter, that lobotomy is worth a nobel prize. Doesn't mean they ain't of low quality / biased and pro-shit.
Where are you finding low-quality works being cited by MLs? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but ML groups are infinitely more willing to engage in self-crit than liberals.
An example I had comments removed for was Liberalism: A counter history, that goes through the words, actions, and context of major liberal philosophers to define liberalism.
Also Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia, because using real data to derive a nuanced understanding distracted from the USSR bad circle-jerk.
Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes
Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they're also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).
Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain't pissed because you're anti-US, but because you're pro-shit?
Sigh.... Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I'm against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in "The West". I'm against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I'm against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I'm against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.
Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy "radicalized" me?
So cool that you're allowed to criticize the US except you just happen to believe everything it says about everything it actually does so you're never in conflict with it at all ever
Nice bogeyman you got there, really polished. You must have worked hard on it.
I'm sorry, what do you think a 'boogeyman' is? Do you dipshits just throw darts at a board to pick thought terminating cliches?
How does the concept of 'boogeyman' relate to the idea that you have never been in a position to learn if you have free speech in the first place, since you never say anything that conflicts with power?
damn, you're constructing new bogeymans to punch at an accelerating pace! That increasing efficiency curve gives me some real market liberalism vibes. ๐
/end joke
In case you really don't get it, look at what you answered to initially and then ask yourself how your accusation relates to that. You keep accusing others of things to then throw punches at those accusations (the bogeyman) to immediately force the other person into a defensive position, even if those accusations weren't even on-topic. It's a manipulative communication strategy to one-up your perceived 'opponent' in a discussion right from the start. Sadly this is a very common thing to come from political extremists, causing anyone who's aware of this to be even more wary.
Nobody, absolutely nobody should ever reply to something this toxic as you can only lose. So to reduce the emotional tension you've might caused and show how ridiculous the whole interaction is I'll make fun about you.
This the only honest explanation you'll get from me about this.
Oh thank you I understand now. Asking a westerner to critically examine their views and how society shaped them is a microaggression and I should just let you say whatever the hell you want without pushback even if the product of that is war and the killing of hundreds of thousands of people who otherwise would live. I'm victimizing you :(
Burgerland chuds should never be put on the defensive. Americans are perfect little angels who are never wrong about anything.
just as an aside, holy shit joke of the year
so funny wow
Tankie alert mate just ignore the comment, block and please move on
As you can see it's too late: I have depicted you as the soy wojack
Haha, thanks mate. ๐ I'll rather have my fun with them though for reasons I just outlined here, for them to either take and grow or completely ignore / misunderstand. https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/14637515
NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it's the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???
Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?
I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?
From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though.... Commonly people's summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post
You must be joking? There is a whole community of people posting how they got banned from ml for the most asinine reasons. Are you serious right now?
Well, being on .ml myself I would probably have the worst visibility on that but when I have seen people actually look at the mod log, it generally doesn't agree with the posters claimed rationale for the ban
You do know that you guys sound like a cult. The sovcits of the fediverse.
One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don't agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?
OP is a nazi in the slow process of walling themselves off to everything but the furthest right most racist social circle possible and .ml is the worst now that hexbear and lemmygrad are gone. It won't be enough and the cycle will just continue if they get their way.
If that's your argument then I assume the "nazi" accusation is just bs. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were full of extremists.
Not sure what if any specific accusations you have in your head that remain unspoken, but the only thing you're doing right now is showing off your terminal war on terror brain. "Extremists" means nothing. You're talking about a community that posts owl pictures.
Did they yell at you too much for supporting a genocide? Did someone in your past refer to someone trying to purge leftists a 'nazi' and you took it personally?
You're the extremist. You're upset because you're a bad person talking about good people.
It's hilarious how I don't even need to say anything more than that those two websites are bad and you immediately constructed a whole bogeyman to punch at.
Anyone who's visiting lemmygrad.ml (btw having a logo literally showing a battle tank) for more than 30 minutes and reading replies will not just see phenomenal bias towards China, the USSR and BRICS but utter denial of anything bad about them (usually through a mix of whataboutism and rabbit holes of political theory that eventually lead nowhere unless seen through a romanticized lense). Common "NATO caused Ukraine" and even old USSR propaganda nonsense gets flung around. Meanwhile you have to click through it really hard to find even one, for example, China-critical post (couldn't find even one). Same with hexbear. The bias is as bad as your comebacks.
Well educated people are able to see and criticize all kind of wrongdoing, let it be from Russia, Israel, USA, China, socialism, capitalism or even some internet dork in the comment section. Those communities can not, they're purely ideology- and doctrin-driven.
I welcome anyone reading this to visit lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net and make up their own mind. ๐
Are you literally a bot? Your answer is so generic and nonspecific. Why are you replying to me if you're not going to answer my questions or respond to anything I said.
What boogeyman? This is the second time someone's used that buzzword without explaining wtf they're talking about with it.
The other 90% of your comment is just you being a fucking idiot saying shit about things you've never investigated. It alludes to the idea that you've had arguments with people before, but when they inform you of recent history and uncontroversial facts, you just have a mental block that prevents you from learning anything. But it cannot be emphasized enough: it's nothing but a robotic rant about leftists that you could have stuck under any comment that triggered you.
But I'll second your recommendation that people visit those sites, especially hexbear. These people are not normal, they're not good, and there are places where you can have a good internet experience without these right wing psychos recreating the worst parts of reddit.
Tankie alert please ignore comment or block user and move on
ive noticed several communities being moved off of .ml because of overacting mods shitting their own beds (my fav movies comm being one of them). kinda the whole point of the 'verse. i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business... purposeful or not
the locals at .ml seem to have this notion that theyre too big to fail, which is patently not true considering the tiny size of the fediverse overall.
id recommend users utilize a 'home' instance thats more of an onramp than local-content curation... (https://moist.catsweat.com being in this category) they tend to not defederate from any instances so users can easily switch subscriptions when shit goes sideways in the content-heavy servers without making new accounts.
This isn't unique to world or ml. There's some wonky shit going on with federating across Lemmy at the very least, maybe other parts of the fediverse that I don't use. On walledgarden there are at least half a dozen instances that are falling in and out of sync with our communities. No one on either side of the connection seems to have an answer for what caused this behavior or how to correct it. Talking to some other instances, we aren't alone.
The lemmyverse crawler/site has also shown some odd behavior with communities and instances disappearing and reappearing seemingly at random.
I don't think anything malicious is being done by any of the instances or admins in regards to federation delays.
Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/"not fix it" and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.
Thus this meme was born lol