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You mean Obomba and then-VP Joe Bellend at the end of 2013 denied Ukraine the right to elect their own president
Yeah, the next was was air dropped, and so the next one. And neither caused anywhere near the same outrage as the russian puppet with his golden shitter and a party train. Wonder how could that be explained.
You don't have right wing media funded by western billionaires driving the temperature constantly upwards in your country?
Our conservative right wing media was mostly funded by our Kremlin-aligned government for most of the last decade, and of course they did. A Russian influence agent is running a Rwanda style hate radio/tv fundamentalist catholic empire here as well for that very reason. The neo-con/"liberal" media are western funded and mostly busy with trying to get their guys into power in a classic bi-partisan manner. But what does that change for Ukrainian politics? Ukrainians are supported by most of the nation in spite of political divides, even the fascist nationalists had to claim they are supporting refugees not to fall out of favor.
Me when I want to make having completely normal relations with a directly neighboring country sound sinister, when everyone knows that a Ukraine with true self determination obviously welcomes an administration installed by a US backed coup in order to use the country as a forward outpost/cannon fodder in their ceaseless aggression and military encirclement of their geopolitical targets.
The only part of Russia Poland neighbors is a military base enclave. And your "everyone" is your sect that will attack any division from your firmly held beliefs particularly one asking for evidence as showcased here over and over.
Oh and the alignment meant was mostly in authoritarian control over media, judiciary, level of corruption, blocking any public hearings of new laws, supercharging the parliamentary process to stifle opposition or any discussion of new law, unprecedented (since the old regime collapse) usage of surveillance against opposition, usage of far right paramilitary groups against mass feminist protests and so on. You know policies more popular in Moscow than anywhere else.
Might be the reason why Kremlin supports far-right parties all over Europe and in US, and you people are willful enablers of that.
You are either very credulous or intentionally engaging in bad faith, and I don't much care to figure out which
Cheers, learned a new word. Love the western well educated leftists come to explain the world to us stupid Slavs. Thanks!
Or you missed clear evidence, admissions and so on of Russia sponsoring Le Pen, AFD, Austrian or US fascists? Like, this stuff is public, there's a ton of sources. Proving the case for their infiltration of the PiS party would be harder, since it's investigative jurno books in Polish mostly.
Well it's explained very easily.
Double standards, white supremacy, western chauvinism, the
Major Western media outlets were hyperventilating over the war in Ukraine being fought against a "developed Western nation" with it not being a "Middle Eastern country". This was literally verbatim on major outlets and I personally saw the fascistic rhetoric play out against the refugees fleeing Obomba's drones from 10 years ago, in contrast.
Or take the Nordstream gas pipeline bombings 2 years ago. Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug. Had Russia been the culprit, people (especially here in Estonia) would be screaming about it nonstop still. BTW, my energy/communal fees are literally like €70 higher because of this.
The people who were fanatically chanting "Slava Ukraini" are the exact same people recording themselves blowing up children and apartment towers in Gaza with their iPhone 15 Pro Max, while also making thinly-veiled (or even open) bomb threats over "the hostages".
Oh and "Slava Ukraini" is in a semi-literal way written with the blood of Palestinian children.
Death to AmeriKKKa
I remember how everyone in my country who have opinions for a living were clutching their pearls saying "war in Europe" as if it was orders of magnitude worse than war everywhere else.
It’s a Ukrainian who is suspected of sabotaging the pipeline.
it was Americans and if you believe otherwise you are literally braindead
Oh really? I can't imagine Ukraine having the means to sabotage it, given the location being near Poland. Meanwhile Bellend (and the US in general) had very clear motives and the means to sabotage it so the EU would be forced to buy much more expensive LNG from AmeriKKKans.
Either way, it's not hard to see why there's no outrage over the fact.
Actually Poland and Ukraine had a much clearer motive, the only other piplines cross there. Also here you have Russian generals take on the issue: https://video.echelon.pl/videos/watch/a4c80ebc-8f70-40c8-85a4-51bc794a8487
US had the clearest motive of all since destroying the pipelines meant not only that they could increase their control of the gas market and as you said, secure transshipment through Ukraine and Poland, but by doing so they also eliminated any possibility or pretense of Germany and Russia resuming their economic collaboration. The US had motives and plans to blow up Nordstream well before it happened. Biden said as such in Feb 2022 before Russia's SMO/invasion even began.
The bombing also forced Germany and the EU to deepen their dependency on the US and severely damaged German industry. Any benefits that accrued to Poland and Ukraine also accrued to the US. Also, US naval vessels were operating in the immediate area of the bombing, and were conducting underwater "training" exercises in the week leading up to the bombing. The US had the motive, means, and expertise to pull off the bombing. It should be obvious the USA did it.
https://archive.is/H3WXJ
A Ukrainian operative based in Poland suspected of the attack disappeared just before Polish services got to visit his place. Wouldent be surprised if they waited for him to pack; Poland was doing everything it could from Nordstreams being built.
Temp situation, and would be short sighted as a strategy. UE has big gas resources of it's own (Norway, Ireland, "neighboring UK"). A few countries like Karat or Armenia (if I recall correctly) are looking to export gas to EU as well. Which was, according to a Russian general, the reason for their involvement in Syria. And still - EU is very actively working on shifting out all fossil fuels. Diplomatic risks for US outwaight possible benefits.
Russia cut deliveries before the pipeline were blown up. Also the EU did not stop buying Russian gas, it capped the price. The thoughput of the currently operational pipes is enought as well, but doesent allow to blackmail Ukraine or Poland. And finally Ukraine is shutting down them, to further demolish Russian profits.
Source?
Dont care
Last ive seen most likely Ukrainians operating out of Poland unbotherd by Polish services, as its a shared strategic objective for both countries. BTW you do know that Nordstream2 was turned off months earlier by Russia to blackmail Germany?
The what? Its start overstreached but finishes so absurd I wont even attempt any logic.
This I could support. Also death to Russia and every other imperialism (incl European and Chinese).
There's litterally nothing you could do to lower my opinion of western leftiests anymore, I come into these discussions knowing this is the top level of an argument you could master. Fucking imperialist scum.
Why the fuck would anyone care what your opinion is? "Don't care"
Why do these pigeon playing chess assholes always think their opinion is so important that everyone has to fucking tap dance for them?
And yet the best the crowd of you could master is replaying cheap propaganda straight of RT and freaking out when its questioned or any scrutiny is applied.
You should just shut up and go away now. You already flipped the chessboard. Now you want to act like you're still a serious person worth taking seriously in this serious conversation? It's buffoonish.
So where are the pics of the 10 year of arty barrage over Donbas? Have fun finding them.
Have one more for the road, lmao
Oh yeah, give me a few more of this comrade, your praxis is so in line with the party.
Fucking western leftists. Single guy with a gun achived more for class war in few days then you shits over last 50 years. How does that feel?
My homeboys took down a fascist Apartheid ethnostate 30 years ago, but pop off ig
I also helped contribute to the IDF and Pissad getting their networks disrupted, forcing them to spend tens of thousands each month for network security. Who knows, maybe me and a bunch of mates vaporising the IDF's internal DNS helped a Palestinian escape to South Africa and/or some skid getting blasted in the arse by a Yassin-105.
And since you asked so nicely,
Yeah forgot to add your a Navy seal sniper. Love the tales of you exploits against one of the most fucked up and advanced APT's, tell us more. Greets from Warsaw Hackerspace scriptie wannabe.
The neat part is we didn't need scripts to
the piSSraeli military servers, lmfao.
Also I'm not a Navy Seal sniper. I'm actually Juba.
lol, yeaaah, sure you are. Now go play with the other kids.
You know you asked some hours ago as to why there was no outrage over Obomba overthrowing Ukraine a decade ago, yet people in the street over Russia going to war? I provided an explanation actually, even with the double standards present. You responded with "don't care", which is certainly telling to say the least.
Maybe you better re-read what you wrote, and what the actual question was. Have fun, I'm off.
That’s a great burn tbh