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End the Imperialist Blockade
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this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2025
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You should read up on Cuban Democracy. Not only is Cuba now more democratic than under Batista, a fascist slaver US puppet, Cuba is more democratic than countries like the United States.
Those claiming Cuba does not have "free and fair elections," without fail, are those who oppose their system of Socialism and wish for the US to recolonize Cuba.
I think it's amazing when US people try to claim that other countries they know jackshit about are undemocratic, while having a Dr. Seuss-ass electoral system with legalized bribing that exclusively elects ghouls everyone despises.
And gerrymandering.
They wish to see Cuba recolonized, so they dismiss any claims that would get in the way of their moral standing in maintaining that stance. Ie, recolonization is better than living in a system where Castro (who isn't president anymore, though I doubt they know that) eats babies or some nonsense.
Because of this, they pile a large amount of lies on top of Castro (who again, isn't president anymore) and demand the Cuban people be "freed" from themselves, ripe for the US to swoop back in and recolonize. If the Communists aren't evil, then they can't justify wanting to recolonize Cuba anymore morally.
I recommend always Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of "Brainwashing."
I'm flabbergasted that the official website of a political entity is being touted as evidence that the political entity isn't perceived correctly.
Forget about Cuba, or politics, or class, everything. This is not how you find the truth. What's the thing I'm not thinking of that's throwing things off balance? Why would someone link to North Korea's official website to argue that North Korea is not so bad? What's the use and whose it for?
I am talking about structure. These are sources referenced and fact checked. Who would you prefer?
The only sources I trust: Prager U and the US State Department. And maybe some thinktank funded by the Koch brothers called something like Institute for International Freedom and Democratic Policy
I thought you were serious at first, please mind my blood pressure
Lmao almost got me
And this is why I think Cowbee is wasting his time trying to engage in good faith with shitlibs; you'll always just worm your way out and find some excuse, because you're not actually engaging in good faith, you've already decided what you believe, and because you're supremely arrogant westerners, nothing will ever be as good as your gut feeling for you.
All I ask for is the truth. That's why I'm called tankie, liberal, Nazi, commie, Trumper, imperialist, hippie. I get bent out of shape when people sling lies and it causes me to become whatever boogeyman they're turning around in their head.
Did you comb my posts to figure out I'm a liberal? I'm pro India, pro USA, pro China, pro Russia, (making it simple so you can digest it) so it's weird you got liberal.
To be clear, I have no illusions about mhague changing their mind, I engage for others who see the clear bad faith and contradictory logic to maybe have their minds changed.
Gotta say I really appreciate that you do this. I try to varying degrees when I have the time since like you said it’s usually so lurkers can have their minds changed but it can be time consuming.
It’s really nice when others are jumping in to help and I see you posting great takes a ton.
Thanks! It's more of an evolution of myself over time, back in my Reddit days years ago I used to be such a debatebro. Now I try to be more chill and focus on education and unity, though when the obviously bad-faith users swarm in I try to call them out on that moreso than trying to focus on education. Sometimes I get great questions that help me reconsider things, sometimes people thank me over DMs or in comments, and either way it's a great feeling.
Thanks for the support!
Hi I'm a lurker and I appreciated the responses.
Never really looked too deep on Cuba beyond what is obviously forced into my face by American education/media/"news" etc...
So interesting to see a dissenting opinion, I support socialism/communism tho I wish there were better examples of communism working to point to, as if the west didn't actively work against it all the time lol.
But it is fair to say I think that it is a bit concerning how often it has devolved into essentially dictatorships of one kind or another, but basically since Reagan it's not like we've actually had a honest legislature/election process.
We’ve never really had an “honest” election process. The US has never been a democracy, because it was born of bourgeois revolution[1], and its laws & institutions were crafted by and for the bourgeoisie. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote.
[Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Haha I know, but like to pretend. I literally made the same point to my wife after reading like 10 pages of the Soviet Democracy book I was linked earlier.
We did eventually move further toward more democracy and socialist practices up until the red scare imo, but the foundations were definitely not as rosy as they paint it to be and many people lost their lives to push for progress.
Appreciate the kind words!
As for democracy in Socialist countries, it's a lot higher than you'd think, even if there's work to be done. They aren't dictatorships and generally never have been, they are usually accused as such for restricting freedom of Capitalists and fascists. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds if you want a critical look at the Soviet Union, or Soviet Democracy if you want to learn more about the democratic process. Most Socialist countries follow similar structures.
Started with Soviet Democracy, very interesting so far
Great!
Watch the ableism with the claims of "insanity."
You really need to do more research. In Cuba, candidates are nominated by the people. The Party plays no role on this process. The actual elections are done with those that have been nominated, logically people will not change their mind. The United States hasn't had a third party Candidate win the presidency either, that's a silly sticking point for you.