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Sounds like you formed an opinion on the game years ago and ignored everything about it since. The game's been pretty good for years now, it had its redemption arc before Cyberpunk made it cool
They were definitely late on delivering for sure but they've gone beyond catching up at this point
This does not excuse the blatant lies the developer told to market their game prior to release.
Ok, so we're going in circles now?
If the work they've put in since hasn't won you over, great - do other things with your time. If I were you I'd keep in mind that you aren't perfect either.
Ok?
You and this other guy sure are stuck on a point I wasn't making. What's that about?
Yeah, I don't support fraud π€·ββοΈ doesn't matter how much they put into it after stealing millions of dollars through deceptive marketing and flat-out lies.
Ok? You know that your original complaint was wrong so you shifted to a new one?
How are my two complaints in any way different?
Your first complaint was that the game still isn't complete, now your complaint is that they're fraudsters for not delivering it on day 1.
So, try and follow me here... if the game still doesnt have features promised at launch, then did it have those features on day 1?
My complaint is the fraud, and always has been. Joking about how it still doesnt meet launch expectations is literally the same thing.
Can't believe I'm wasting my time on this conversation but here's a spreadsheet from 5 years ago showing what was promised, what was there at launch, and what was there when the list was made for reference.
I haven't played in a few years so I don't know what's changed (aside from unique ships) but that's a pretty complete list. Sure it's missing a few minor things but are you really going to pretend it fell so short of its goals?
No, you're not. That's why you shifted to talking about the sad state of the game at launch...something no one is saying isn't true.
You changed the subject.
So you linked a spreadsheet that shows I'm correct, and use that to claim that I changed the subject and am shifting goalposts...
If both of my claims are objectively true - based on the source that YOU provided - then did I change the subject or was I just adding additional context? It sure seems more like you're avoiding the subject and attacking a strawman instead of the arguments I made.
You're still thinking about this?
Who's moving goalposts, now? ππ€£ππ€£
It's almost as if you realized you were wrong and decided to change the subject. Wild.
So you were stewing on it for 22 hours, huh?
We agree on the argument you shifted to - they barely delivered the game they promised on day 1. But that wasn't what your first comment said. You said the game was starting to almost approach what they promised before launch.
For at least 5 years, the game has been a few minor features away from everything they promised...while adding a ton more they didn't promise. Do those missing features means the game isn't at it's promised state? You'd be pedantic to buy it would be understandable? Do those missing features means the game isn't 99.99% complete? You'd be a fool to. And you were a fool.
Feel free to get the last word in here.
You just can't get the connection to me referencing "launch" in the first joke and then focusing entirely on the argument instead of a joke. Wild. You'll do great in debate class when you're old enough π
Literally yes. You can shift the goalposts all you want, that doesn't remove the fraud.
You can claim you know my brain better all you want, that doesn't change my core argument for the entirety of this conversation: the game never reached launch promises, evem after 5 years. Sean Murray is a fraudster and doesn't deserve control of any company.
Doesn't it matter though? Isn't delivering the promised product the correct reparations for failing to deliver a product? Pretty sure it was easy to get a refund back then, too.
"Pretty good" is a bit of a stretch. It's not completely broken and they added some okay features since launch but overall it's still a pretty mid game.
It's not a bit of a stretch. It's ok that you don't like it, though
I'm not a huge fan of it still but at this point it's not a bad game, just not to everyone's taste (which btw seems to be true of most open world survival crafters... I've noticed that being a fan of any one of those games is a poor predictor of whether you'll be a fan of any of the others).
I do think that they were locked into some bad design decisions from early on even with all the extra work they've put in.