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Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right "conservatives": the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.

Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.

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[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Look, if they thought our politics were better, they'd agree with us. So it's something else.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's the thing though, there's an undercurrent of "actually it's responsible adulting to do bad things, sweaty" to it. They have thought terminating defense mechanisms that respond to exposure to uncompromising ethical positions on things they have proudly compromised on with rage. Fascists worshipped the suffering and death that their actions brought to everyone including their own ranks. Far right liberals believe that brutal subjugation and abuse is "responsible leadership," believing it to be bad but necessary. Mainstream liberals tie their brains in knots to ignore the suffering capitalism and the brutal violence it requires causes, finding justifications for inaction. Radlibs reflexively move towards the mainstream and concede and capitulate to it, and have been trained to be enraged by anyone who does not.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean when we respond with PPB they probably think we're angry too and are thought terminating. Which usually I am, internet debates are dumb, I just want my trans folks to be living good lives free of discrimination, adequate housing, and with free healthcare that resolves their dysphoria. Everything I believe is bent around that and frankly idgaf how it happens so long as it does

If the liberals somehow do it tomorrow I'd be stoked, but history shows they're incapable of it, whereas what I described is actively underway in Cuba and even areas less developed on trans rights like China simply because they care a lot about housing and food access

[-] RedDawn@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

It's material conditions. They can absolutely know, on some level, that our politics are more morally correct (what I guess you mean by "better") but also know, on some level that their politics benefit themselves personally more. They're siding with the politics that personally benefit them, and getting angry at the ones that are more correct but would mean they don't continue to benefit from exploitation of others if implemented. Then there are other people who might even themselves benefit more if all exploitation were ended but have bought into the arguments made by those further up the ladder.

[-] Florist@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

They can absolutely know, on some level, that our politics are more morally correct

What's the proof of this?

They're siding with the politics that personally benefit them

Every engaged political actor does this. There's no material benefit to being a leftist in the west, but it does feel good living by your principles. Liberals simply don't share the same principles, they aren't secretly thinking they are morally inferior or whatever.

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