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Liberals put a very high value on awareness of problems yet distrust people that want to do something about them.
As the official pod puts it, liberals live in a world full of victims but no victimizers
I wouldn't put it like that, it's more that they don't see doing nothing as political, and consider being aware of the problem or even minor donations as a sufficiently positive action.
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You have no social awareness and dude is a gender neutral term actually
Average liberal I've seen around here. It's like going back in time 10 years on reddit.
They were an unironic Guaido stan too lol. I spammed a bunch of links of Guaido getting owned until they stfu
Funniest shit ever. This will make no sense to new comrades we make going forwards, forever an esoteric joke of a person lost in time.
im sorry but dude should absolutely be a gender neutral term.
but i definitely wont die on this hill
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same reason people hate vegans. they know their right and they feel cognitive dissonance.
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This doesn't make any sense. Liberals don't think leftists have better politics, otherwise they wouldn't be liberals anymore.
This is like saying "The reason leftists hate conservatives is because they hate anyone who has more realistic politics than them". Not really a coherent argument.
I think it is more "They hate the possibility that they could be wrong about things." including their morals and politics.
A lot of liberal politics is comparing themselves to fascists and saying, "hey at least I'm better than that guy". They can define themselves by being the only ideological position that tolerated minorities and is "moral". Then leftists put an end to that idea because we are even more relentless in our support for marginalized groups. It's a big reason why liberals love to pretend many socialists and communists are huge bigots, it's why the proverbial Bernie bro became a boogeyman. If liberals don't have their moral high ground, they don't have anything.
Oh damn, I guess that's the real horseshoe theory. Or I suppose the reasoning behind it. If "tankies" are the same as fascists, there is no cognitive dissonance for a liberal, because they are still morally better.
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this ain't it fam. it's the same smug armchair psychology we dunk on redditors for doing.
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The problem with libs is that they beleve ideas make history. Once you put yourself in that mindset the chauvinism becomes more reasonable.
The west is the richest so they have the best ideas. Since the liberal idea set is self evidently the best the other countries are backward and their idea sets should be replaced.
In reality the reason the west has been richer for the last 3-4 hundred out of 10-14k years of agriculture has les to do with ideas or western culture and more to do with geografic and demografic realities, that are too comlicated for this post. So the libs are wrong.
Liberals are incapable of understanding politics.
Period.
They're used to only dealing with some form of Fox (or Fox Business) Conservative. Like, thats the only other form of politics they can fathom outside of some vague adherence to "smart government." And when it comes to "getting stuff done" they think it's just a numbers game: just get enough good Libs elected and things will be gooder, or some shit.
Like, forget war - which for some reason Libs can't wrap their heads around that war is fucking bad. What's the Lib response to climate change or failing healthcare or inexplicable income gaps? Vote harder? California is a Super Majority D state. Obama had Congress sewn up for 2 years. Conservativism is effectively dead where the majority of people live. So what's the endgame? When does shit get better?
And that's where Libs are left with an identity crisis because to admit any one little (but really fucking big) thing is beyond repair is admitting there are systemic problems that cannot be solved with the only tool in the shed: voting. And that's basically the Lib version of staring into the abyss.
Everything a Lib knows is a fucking lie.
For liberals, war is a purely economic calculation whose criteria of justification are decided by whether or not they contravene principles whose evolved historical function is the preservation of capitalist social relations and the imperialist world system (whether the liberal in question is a mystified rube or a demonically englightened ghoul). Similarly, criteria of success or failure in war is based on economic calculation. Look at the U$ yankkkie defences of their proxy war in Ukraine: "no Americans are dying, it will weaken the Russian economy, we must secure our interests". Of course we also know, as evidenced spectacularly by the U$ terrorist bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines, that the key objective is always the preservation of U$ economic hegemony, keeping a competitor economically disadvantaged, taking their economic customers in Europe and forcing them into economic dependence on America LNG.
It's not always that what they know is a lie. Liberals often do know quite a bit, especially the more ghoulish ones. Most of them, yes, are rubes in a lot of respects. But the most basic normative axioms of their thought are detached from reality in a particularly striking way.
Of course when they fail by their own criteria (see: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya, etc.....) they are never honest about this and use mental gymnastics to avoid responsibility, because that matters more, because the legitimacy of their views must be defended at all costs. This is inculcated into liberals as a matter of liberal cultural necessity because if it wasn't, they would not be able to adequately defend those same capitalist and imperialist socio-economic systems they rely upon and in terms of which they determine their own self-worth.
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yeah... I was a liberal once, and it was definitely informed in large part by wanting to be "good" and correct. I became kind of a debatelord for a minute there. But, what I didn't do, was shit my pants and demand the mods ban them when it became clear I was on the wrong side of something, I lived and learned and moved on (generally leftward). You gotta be able to take the L sometimes.
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All this talk of federation but no replicators. Fuck this shit
The liberal instinct is to appear "not too crazy" and to appease conservatives with compromise because otherwise the conservatives will get violent. Thus, when we show up we are "making them look bad" and "ruining their moderate image" through guilt by association. It doesn't help that they never appease us with compromise but only ever reserve compromise for those to their right. This is because they always imagine themselves to be "left of center" and thus compromising with anyone further to their left is "going too far" or "becoming a tankie." or whatever. The cherry on top is that they don't understand that both the liberal and conservative political classes are part of a joint capitalist class dictatorship. They will unironically say "you need both wings to fly" while not realizing the body of the plane itself only carries the capitalists and drops bombs on the workers.
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