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US approves $7.4bn sale of more weapons to Israel used to ravage Gaza
(www.theguardian.com)
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axis of evil and has been. you vote democrat, you vote republican, you vote for genocide. simple as.
Think the Democrats would build Gaza a Lago?
Do you know which politician has taken the most money from Israel? I think that he was happy to support their genocide, and his vice president was no different.
Trump is absolutely a nightmare but trying to pretend that Democrats weren't also a nightmare on this issue is ridiculous. The halls of Congress are full of Israeli flags. There is no voting to help. Palestinians meaningfully possible.
But you do realize that trump is much much much much worse, right? It’s not just about the genocide, you know.
These people have enough privilege that they know they won't be put in the camps first. And they probably think they never will. So it's no risk to them.
Worse how? In terms of for Palestine. They were always screwed no matter what. It seems to me that Trump is pretty much identical to Biden in terms of supporting Palestine, except he's an idiot and says the quiet part out loud while Biden just recited Zionist talking points.
I literally said “it’s not just about the genocide.” Palestine isn’t the only thing going on in the world, and there are millions of people who are being affected right here in the US because of trump’s fascist behavior.
I’m sorry about Palestine, and if there was a candidate who vowed to stop feeding Israel money & weapons, I’d vote for them. But I’m not a single issue voter, because I’m not a fucking moron. I can’t turn my back on transsexuals in America, or Latin American refugees, or immigrants in the US, or low-income people, the mentally ill, the elderly, non-Christians, gays, the sick, or pregnant women in America. I can’t ignore climate change. I can’t ignore the possibility of another pandemic. The US public education system is in danger. Environmental protections are in danger. Countless other public health & safety programs are in danger. Ukrainians are in danger. All because of trump.
I’m supposed to not vote for a candidate who supports genocide, when both candidates support it, but one of the two also threatens everything else, plus so much more?
The way our political system works is if you don’t vote for one it practically counts as a vote for the other-so refusing to vote is also supporting genocide.
Like other people have said- it’s a real life trolly problem. The people are already tied to the tracks, and all I can do is pull a lever. There is no avoiding it.
I hate the genocide. I support Palestine. I believe that between the two candidates, at least there was a sliver of a chance that they would stop the genocide under a Democratic presidency. Under a Republican presidency, there is less than zero chance. In addition to all I’ve listed above, and more.
In terms of Palestine maybe it’s a wash. But at least the Dems have a handful of party members who want to stop helping Israel. But my child right here in the US is in danger now because of trump. Billions of children’s futures are in danger because of trump.
Yeah it sucks for all of us that have like morals and ethics and crap. Like I said, I ate shit and voted for Democrats like I've done for my entire life. I did not and would never vote for a republican and I'm not encouraging anyone to. What I'm saying is that our politics is like making a choice between cutting your dick off or getting your eye poked out. There is no good option.
I feel deeply for people who have children, you probably shouldn't have done that.
At this point, some people have become walking textbook trolley problems, where to make a choice that makes you moral in one dimension you become a monster in all the others and make everyone worse in the process. But your conscience is safe, thank you for that.
it is safe because i didn't allow myself to reduce supporting genocide to a trolley problem.
Reduce? You people spent months reducing all other issues that affect billions of people well into the future like fighting climate change or keeping civil rights or access to healthcare or labour rights or all 900 pages of project 2025 to the one issue where you have ~~no~~ negative leverage either way by voting for president.
You're the one dumbing down political debate to a single issue, I just framed it in a way that captures the pattern of hundreds of sterile debates I've seen online: you can choose to soil your conscience by collectively choosing to avert disaster or let disaster happen and get nothing in return (probably even worse) for your one cause.
And the worst part is your vote should not even have been decisive, it should have been easier to get 10% of undecided normies to compensate your reluctant 1%, but they are depoliticized and don't care if they live in fascism or not anymore.
and that's my prerogative as a voter. are you here to shame me some more? about the genocide i won't overlook to vote for kamala harris? the same kamala harris who reversed her position on fracking? who wanted to fund nato even harder? you're gonna tell me she represented a positive position on climate change?? and bath-tub of collard green kamala harris is not doing a damn thing for civil rights, so where are you coming from with this?
Eh, I'm venting at this point, as I wrote before, it's not your even your fault, y'all were probably ~~venting~~ grieving too over months of war crimes, it's the uninformed normies who don't care and don't understand that decided this.
This person basically just told you they don't give a shit about anything but one single genocide. Other genocides, like ones in the U.S.? Don't matter. Other genocides in other parts of the world? Don't matter. Climate change potentially killing off the entire species? Don't matter.
Which is why single-issue voters are just abhorrent people.
Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil, and you did good in the difference.
and sometimes you have a conscience that doesn't allow you to rationalize away complicity in genocide
If your choice increases the magnitude of the genocide, how could it reduce your complicity?
'if if if' nevermind what is and has been happening... a party should lose support for genocide, especially when that side is ostensibly for social justice.
Again, it's not a matter of support, it's a matter of chosing the lesser evil to reduce the potential negative impact. Similarly, if the only way to prevent far right from getting elected is to vote for the right, you would rather not participate in preventing the far right from getting elected?
if two parties are both ignoring the population, maybe a third party should be considered a more serious option.. this settling for lesser of two evils amounts to a lack of vision- have you have stopped believing in accountability? is it merely impossible and pointless to think about?
I hope you can develop more options in the future, but for this election, there were only two.
real quick: how do these options develop if we keep telling ourselves that?
You have to work on building a party and preparing a candidate a couple of years in advance, you can't do that 3 months before the vote, at this point you can only vote for the lesser evil. Are you working on that now?