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Been thinking about the Ukraine war
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Right, Turkey had something to offer. Ukraine hasn't got anything to offer but neo nazis and a bunch of hand-me-downs NATO already gave them. The IMF has already forced the question on selling off everything of any value, the Ukrainians with the financial means are gone and probably won't return. It doesn't benefit NATO to allow Ukraine to join, particularly since Ukraine already happily walked into the role of "artillery sponge". They did the thing NATO wanted and now they'll be discarded and left as a rump state.
It has a close proximity to Russia, the entire object of NATO's containment mission. And it has huge... tracks of land. Very pivotal to controlling North Africa, particularly as climate change destroys volume of arable land.
But that's only the first step. You still need a large armed presence to guarantee Ukraine's lands stay privatized. Otherwise, you're just dealing with a '79 Iranian Revolution or a Colonel Qaddafi running Libya. NATO gives the framework for installing bases in Ukraine and securing the bag.
I think in a situation where Ukraine didn't just have all of their male population run off or killed you would be right about having to worry about some kind of Ukrainian revolution, but I don't think that's a concern for NATO or the IMF now. The wealthy haven't been conscripted, and they're the ones who will benefit from the privatization scheme - and they're the ones who control what militia factions still exist. The proximity to Russia would be worthwhile if Ukraine didn't already provide all the access the west wants. As far as I can tell, NATO already has everything they want with no need to add further liability to their portfolio.
No. This war has Iran-Iraq'd their populations. It'll take a generation to recover.
They didn't, though. That was the whole conflict around Donetsk that pushed this conflict to a full invasion.
Idk. Western Media wants you to believe NATO is always and forever winning, but this war has exposed serious flaws across the whole continent.
The economic demands put on the European members have been enormous, and its biggest players don't appear nearly as loyal to the coalition as they were thirty years ago.
I was just wracking my brain for an aphorism and finally googled it because my grey matter failed me - this is a real "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" situation for NATO, in my opinion
I guess we'll see. I think we're going to see NATO all over Western Ukraine within another two or three years.
I look forward to the news mega coverage if it comes to pass!
Sure, but joining NATO isn't going to bring the Donbass or Crimea back into Ukrainian hands. Not only will they never get them back, they're going to have to officially, politically acknowledge that that is no longer Ukrainian territory if they want to join NATO. So there's still no benefit to having them join NATO for NATO.
C'mon, you know I know and agree with that. NATO didn't win this, but that doesn't mean Ukraine has anything to offer them that they don't already have. Actually allowing Ukraine to join NATO is nothing but a liability to NATO - that is why I'm staking my claim that it won't happen, at least not in the next decade.