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Does the midwest only include the US? I'm wondering if Toronto counts as part of the midwest.
Fuck if I know I'm from California lol, and this is just the kind of questions and debate I hoped to spur from this shitpost.
The Canadian and American prairies run smoothly into eachother. Way before borders used to be a real thing people would move freely, Metis homeland includes both sides. Before the Metis, Niitsapi (blackfoot confederacy) was on either side and even now Kinai FN still is, I think the Sioux were too.
Welcome to the upper Midwest, Toronto!
Is Buffalo Midwest? I feel like it makes no sense to call Toronto Midwest unless northern NY state is.
Windsor is kinda Midwest because it's Canada Detroit in that it used to have manufacturing but doesn't have as much anymore, and it's literally next to Detroit.
Is Midwest a vibe? A geographic area? Both? As someone Canadian it seems to be the flyover states that have cities with the vibe of a large town rather than a real city. I've also never been to that part of America so idk either.
Calling any part of New York part of New England is sure to piss people off too.
I'm willing to advocate for Burlington to be an honorable Midwest city. It's on a controversial great lake, has lots of redneck attire, and the folks aren't as friendly as they claim. What's holding them back is the naval history, too much war during early American history to get that 'new territory' moniker.
Chicago is basically the capital of the Midwest and it is most certainly a real city. Unless if part of the criteria of being a real city like NYC is smelling like trash, then Chicago isn’t a real city since they hide trash in the alleys rather than leaving it everywhere
Does Chicago have a decent transit system? If I was rich and lived in Chicago is it conceivable that I don't own a car? To me a city without trains or a subway is a large town
Also I didn't know Chicago was Midwest because I forgot where it is lol. Illinois sounds like a state that is in the middle of nowhere in my head so I guess that makes sense.
Also weird that Midwest emo is a music genre, but there's no Midwest rap even though Kanye and Chance the Rapper are from there.
I’ve only been to Chicago a couple times but I never felt like I was missing out on not having a car there
Buffalo is Midwest, it's Chapo canon.
Toronto and southern Ontario is definitely Great Lakes and would be part of any balkanized Great Lakes Commune. Northern Ontario is just too different. The St Lawrence plus its watershed is its own thing too, maybe Maine or northern bits of Vermont could in it but it's different from New Engalnd and Acadia.
Maritimes would obviously envelop Newfoundlound but would resist New England. New Brunswick MAYBE might be part of Quebec remnants or St Lawrebce Watershed. Northern Quebec would split off the St Lawrence watershed.
There already is a thing in northern Alberta and BC called the Peace Region and it was a thing all the way back before the settlers came. Southern Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba would probably be in some confederacy depending on if Alberta could chill enough. Southern BC obviously just aligns with Cascadia.