«Ukraine has open borders, regular elections, etc.»: Advisor to the head of the OP Podoliak denies accusations of dictatorship (nikvesti.com)

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[-] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 9 points 5 months ago

Ukraine does have open borders. One exception for military ages males doesn't undo it.

USA never had any slavery. One exception for black folks doesn't undo it.

Fuck, that's pure genius.

[+] lefixxx@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago

USA had slavery because USA had slaves.

Ukraine has open borders because anyone can pass except Ukrainian men if military age.

[-] wellfill@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

US did not ever have slavery! Because noone was slave there except black people if they were not free.

Some hard hitting facts right there. I betcha you didnt know this.

[+] lefixxx@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago

Since you really need this argument made;

To have slavery requires a minority to be enslaved. Not all us citizens needs to be slaves for the description to apply. To have slavery means to have all free people with an exception of a minority of slaves.

To have open borders requires a majority of people the be free to pass from them. Not all citizens need to be able to pass for the description to apply. To have open borders means to allow all people with an exception of a minority to pass.

This is as far as I will go to debate this stupid argument. Anyone with at least two braincells with understand my position.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

I understand your position.

But I think, to have open borders, it needs to be much more than a mere majority that are free to cross the border. "Military aged males" are a huge portion of the population, eyeballing it I'm coming up with 1/5th of the entire country.

If millions of people can't leave, there aren't open borders.

[+] lefixxx@lemmy.world -7 points 5 months ago

First halve that because you are only talking about exiting. Foreigns can enter and exit. Ukrainians can enter. People who cannot be conscripted can exit (women, too old, too disabled, guardians, single fathers, athletes, students etc). Ukraine is at war. I would say that 100% of people who should be able to pass can pass. The claim that Ukraine "DOES NOT have open borders" is false or grossly misleading.

[-] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 9 points 5 months ago

I would say that 100% of people who should be able to pass can pass.

Wow, your every comment is better than the previous one.

You would be the person saying "I would say that 100% of people who should be free are free" just a small time ago in USA...

You are the best example of why liberals are the most anti-liberty and pro-discrimination people out there.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Ukrainians can enter. People who cannot be conscripted can exit (women, too old, too disabled, guardians, single fathers, athletes, students etc).

A one way border isn't exactly open and saying it is is what is grossly misleading.

[-] cone_zombie@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

"Why are you calling this facility a prison? Sure, you cannot leave, but at least you can ENTER!"

[-] wellfill@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Yeah the US clearly has an open southern border. How could you not see that? /s

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm dumb, i need to clarify this. so for the people that cannot pass, is it open borders or closed borders?

[-] cone_zombie@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Open borders. Just not for them.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago

To have open borders requires a majority of people the be free to pass from them.

What's so special about 50%? Why not set the bar at 60% or 40%? Or 99% or 1%?

[-] wellfill@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Alright so if I understand this well: Haiti under the French colonial rule did not have slavery during the times when the imported slave population exceeded some limit when compared to the French population there.

I will continue with a hypothetical: if for example more French came on a trip there and the not slaves would become a minority, there would all of a sudden be slavery there. And of course when they would depart from their holidays, Haiti would again gracefully abandon that heinous practice.