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Tesla dealerships are getting protested and, in some cases, vandalized. Sales are down on 9 of the top 10 countries Tesla sells in. Yet Tesla stock is up. Twitter is a cesspool of nazi-themed bots, and somehow just pulled in $1bn and raised its valuation back up to $44bn.

How is any of this possible? It seems really artificial to me, but I don't really understand business.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Why is the alternative to Tesla on here is always "Chinese EV" when traditional manufacturers exist and make better products? We don't want Chinese dumping their cars and leading to the loss of even more manufacturing jobs in North America and Europe.

Fucking hell, the fight against globalization truly was for nothing, people these days are even defending it against their best interests...

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Normally I'd be the one to say this is an unfairly harsh take, but when BYD is continuing the proud Chinese tradition of using slave labor to make cheaper products than the competition, I'm inclined to say that maybe they should be off the table as well.

Maybe EVs shouldn't be as affordable until the industry is actually sustainable. I'd rather buy a vehicle made by union workers who are paid fairly for their labor, even if it's more expensive.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Chinese EVs are cheaper, unfortunately, so they are competitive.

Fucking hell, the fight against globalization truly was for nothing, people these days are even defending it against their best interests...

Globalisation is not bad, it is mismanaged.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago

They're cheaper as a dumping strategy to make us reliant on China after all local manufacturing is gone, just like China did for everything else.

Globalization lead to all the bullshit we're currently living, good jobs left for Asia, people can't afford housing. Yay globalization! If you want to keep local jobs you can't be in favor of globalization.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

We wanted cheaper products, and now we are reaping what we sow.

Globalisation is not bad, it is mismanaged. Why? There is no globally harmonised rules, policies and regulations to prevent exploitation of workers in third world countries to produce cheap products and services, compensate workers for their jobs being outsourced, prevent environmental degradation, and prevent over accumulation of wealth at the hands of miniscule amount of people. Norway can't exactly tell Bangladesh they should pay the same wages that workers in Norway are getting.

How are those going to be resolved? A world government that implements rules and regulations uniformly; instead of dealing with different standards, regulations and policies of other countries-- or lack thereof in case of third world countries (which is why we have cheap goods because these countries offered themselves to be the world's factory).

The world government is like the EU but on the world level. It should be able to address the unequal distribution of wealth, unequal division of labour and enviromental issues that the current lawless globalisation "order" has wreaked havoc both to humans and environment. Are you down for that kind of set up? I thought so.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Even then, with global trades comes the environmental impact of transporting goods all over the world. It's not normal to expect the whole world to have access to the same things, it's not normal that I can purchase a pineapple in Canada, especially not in the middle of winter. All regions of the world would be better served by focusing on local and adjacent productions. Hell, China understood that, they don't rely on the rest of the world for their shit, they mostly produce what they need and export surplus and are laughing their way to the bank.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

For someone who is in another thread attacking someone for having an opinion on something you feel they aren’t relevant enough to have anyone to care about their opinion of,

You sure do have a lot of opinions.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

If you looked at my comment history you'll see that I mentioned that contrary to the person I'm talking about, my opinions aren't shared in mainstream media. She can have all the opinions she wants and share them, I don't give a crap about that, I'm concerned when mainstream media starts giving importance to the opinion of people who have no expertise on a subject.

[-] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago

We don't want Chinese dumping their cars and leading to the loss of even more manufacturing jobs in North America and Europe.

Who is this we, here? I want this. The people employed in these manufacturing jobs are not people I am concerned about.

When China gets bored with subsidizing our economy, we can spin up new state of the art facilities.

We are being sold a lump go fear, uncertainty and doubt around this stuff by the people who profit off these industries.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

You're not concerned about the people around you that won't be able to afford anything? You're not concerned about the cost for society? You're not concerned about the fact that you're exciting jobs to another country that is now a monopoly that can just increase prices however it feels like because other countries don't have any alternatives? You're not concerned about a country you depend on turning around and becoming your enemy?

If you're not concerned about any of that you don't understand much of the world around you buddy.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

The fight against globalisation? You're in the wrong fight, my man.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, against the thing that lead the Western world to be dependent on China and to lose most of its manufacturing capacity and that lead to the disappearance of the middle class.

Maybe you're too young to realize that back in the 80s and 90s some people were wise enough to understand that if the rich people on the right were fighting for it, it wasn't good for regular folks.

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