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Do you have... any supporting evidence? Or is this just based off the warm fuzzy feeling you got from doing the pledge of allegiance in school?
My evidence is history. Read a book sometimes.
So, no then. Cool, thanks.
So is there any particular military history in the last 50 years you want to talk about? The invasion of Panama? Granada? Bombing Yugoslavia? Targeting Iraq's infrastructure during the gulf war, then imposing sanctions estimated to have caused a million excess deaths, mostly of children? Bombing a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan? Iraq II? Arming the groups that would become ISIS and Al Nusra?
Sure, how about Ukraine. If we didnt give them 200 billion in money, weapons, and training they would just be Russian territory by now.
Lets examine the evidence of history:
Do you think the people of Palestine are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Syria are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Libya are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Yemen are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Somalia are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Afghanistan are better off because of the US's actions? Do you think the people of Iraq are better off because of the US's actions?
And that's just in the last decade, and I know I missed a few. Do you really think Lucy is going to let Charlie Brown kick the football this time?
America is not acting to help the people of Ukraine, we supported the right-wing throughout the coup so we could have a hostile state on Russia's border so the vultures can eat their fill as both countries are bled dry. Hence why Ukraine was required to sell off state assets to foreigners for pennies on the dollar, accept massive loans, give up mineral rights, lower the draft age, etc. Russia aren't the good guys, but the US's actions have resulted in a scenario infinitely worse for the Ukrainian people.
Things dont have immediate results. Do I think it is better for a nation or a people to be freed from being ruled by a dictator? Yes. Can it take generations before another stable government, more suitable to serve the needs of the people, can be constructed and ascend to power? Yes. It varies from place to place, culture to culture, and people to people. Yes I think their future peoples will be better off.
Except the US has no interest in freeing the people, hence why we give most dictators the weapons they use to keep their people down. We have interest in their resources and labor being cheap, which dictates our foreign policy.
The US doesn't want a Ukraine that serves the needs of the people, we want a Ukraine with low wages, no social programs, whose assets and resources are owned by western billionaires, and whose people can be sacrificed to further imperialist goals.
You can look at any other country we've "freed" in the last 50 years for comparison.
We gave Ukraine 200 billion dollars in weapons, money, and military training. That isnt a gift. That is how that works and always has throughout history. Now I'm not saying they owe us everything but there is a debt there that should be repaid.
Do you think average Ukrainians wanted to be drafted to fight America's war?
Do you think the average citizen of any country wants to fight any war?
Yes, when they're actually fighting for their own future instead of which bourgeoisie faction will exploit them. Revolutionary and anti-colonial wars tend to be extremely popular with the populace.
The war is popular and well supported by the Ukrainians, as far as I am aware.
The reason you aren't aware of dissent is that Zelenskyy banned rival parties, took control of media outlets, and passed a law that makes opposing the war or supporting any territorial concessions imprisonable offense, which has been used against political activists.
To be clear, Russia does the same things. The point isn't to support the Russian or Ukrainian government, only that the US's actions are opposed to the interests of the Ukrainian people.