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MeanwhileOnGrad
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But couldn't they just be defederated? Isn't that how it works?
Yea, and hex and grad of the Tankie Triad are generally pretty widely defederated from. db0 is one notable instance that doesn't and this screenshot is from .ml's side of the modlog who, should go without saying, is perfectly fine federating with the rest of the triad
Trust me, we all hate them too. Not even for political positions anymore (eh, i've heard worse).
Personally i'd love to defederate, but i know a vocal minority on our instance like them, so we'll have to cope for now.
Someone's eventually going to initiate a vote on /0 governance to defederate (i know what i'm voting lol) but i also made this github issue if you're interested https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5578
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. db0 account.
The block function should definitely be fixed, but when an instances admins are toxic and/or pushing propaganda/political agenda really, wide defederation is the only answer.
My concern is not of the people already here who a) already know of the Tankie Triad and b) makes an informed decision to block/not block based on that, but what kind of damage instances like hex and .ml can do to the wider Lemmy-verse rep on the outside. I don't want this budding place to become tainted with the stigma of being "That Tankie Place" or "Voat 2.0".
I've already come across a few comments out in the wild that Lemmy has a bunch of tankies, and it's depressing
Do it. I know I'd certainly vote to defederate Hexbear. If you do and decide to make a vote to defederate hexbear include lots of evidence so no one votes against it out of ignorance, only vocal people or those freeze peach types (I don't think there's many of those but I've seen them here on Lemmy).
I've got lots of evidence on .ml posted here, but I've really only been focusing on .ml, but perhaps I could sway people on "If this is the evidence I've been able to gather of .ml, and hex and grad are widely considered to be even worse then it's only logical to vote to defed from the entire Tankie Triad"
ml might be a hard one to sell for people, if servers would defederate from ml that would be good but I think many servers right now are afraid of it backfiring like how Beehaw defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and killed 90% of their interaction and 100% of their network effect overnight.
Of course I do think things are different now and if big servers defederated ML, ML would be the one to lose out, not the bigger servers. Only reason people still use the Bigger ML communities is because they continue to federate, if they weren't people would use the other ones on places like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, lemm.ee, and programming.dev.
Well i won't stop you ;) You'll probably get harassed to hell for it though. They're very toxic, and if i called the shots i would defederate; but the instance is democratic, and i'm not in the mood to deal with pandora's box π I already have enough going on, i don't need my inbox blown up with insults along with it :)
Do it. The only reason I'm posting from my shit account right now (I still like this place, don't worry) is because db0 is blocked at work for "PiRaCy" πππ
Nevermind, I guess IT decided to unblock it.
I'm surprised we got even noticed enough to be blocked in the first place.
i use ssh dynamic proxy back to my home "server" (a mid 2010's macbook running debian), and all IT sees is encrypted traffic to a bizarre domain.
Ah haha, the IT/IS department at the last company I worked for saw right through that and nailed me to the wall for "unauthorized VPN usage" ππ
Brave soul. My wife has a 2017 A1706 MBP.... We also have a 2009-ish MBP loaded with Linux Mint that the kids use for schoolwork.
it's a pretty low-stakes business. i'm sure they don't care even if they see the traffic. the IT is outsourced, so i'm sure it's just a CYA contract.
Genuinely curious - besides that particular user causing issues, what's the deal with hexbear in general? Full of idiots like that?
Yes because the admins want that kind of culture for the most part, as long as you're in the "in" Tankie crowd at least. Same problem with .ml, admins encouraging that kind of culture
The admins literally are "idiots like that", one of their admins @CARCOSA@hexbear.net decided to harass me because during a spam wave I decided to alert some of the Lemmy instance admins of instances I'm on of the trolls who were spamming Nazi shit and they decided to yell at me because I didn't include hexbear and lemmy.ml admins in my list of pings, and putting words in my mouth trying to claim I'm an evil person.
They're not just encouraging that shitty behavior, they're actively participating in it.
CC: @lka1988@sh.itjust.works
Boo. And for .ml, are you talking about lemmy.ml? I'm subbed to several communities there for the FOSS and selfhosting stuff, on both this account and my db0 account..
Yea .ml is shorthand for lemmy.ml, grad is shorthand for lemmygrad.ml
I've been calling for a boycott of .ml for a few weeks now because they get away with a lot of crap because they, on the surface, have the biggest comms, so most instances don't want to defend from them. I say on the surface because it's only by subscribers count, so that can be full of dead accounts.
For example Linux .ml comm reports 52k subsribers, last I checked, Lemmy-verse wide only had 52k ACTIVE users. I highly doubt every single active user is subbed to the lemmy.ml Linux comm lol if you look to MAUs on a per comm basis, it's a much different story. A story that says that the only .ml comm to break the top 25 is memes LMFAO
So to that end I would like to encourage you to unsub from them and delete any posted content there
Well, i'll try to avoid talking about the political stuff (there's an entire mountain of it) Do note i don't really care, i just ignore them; and i mainly participate in casual communities (they're pretty well behaved there)
Most content from hexbear is pretty low-effort. The admins are incompetent, and will allow [pretty much] anything so long as it comes from one of their users.
I've seen death threats, harassment, racism all from there; and the admins allow all of it. The bad-faith you to the ground in an argument, too.
I'll admit not all users are bad, but a majority probably are. That's my personal opinion. On !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com they've been pretty okay actually, they're allowed there. But it's more of a discussion/casual community imo.
Didnt we just have a large conversation about defederating with a Nazi bar because of the actions of a few users with lax administration?
Judging by your message here it seems that we're entirely hypocritical as a community if we hold one admin to a higher standard than others.
i have some problems with them, but not defederation-worthy.
This is partly why I said that if @cm0002@lemmy.world signs up to dbzer0 and starts a vote he should include a lot of evidence of Hexhear's wrongdoings because a lot of people are unaware of the majority of them, they just "have some personal issues with them, but nothing defederation-worthy". Which is probably the same for a lot of people, it's the fact that these add up that makes them problematic.
They don't just have "personal problems with a few people", they have widespread problematic behaviors and patterns.